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Drekonah said:
What should my estimated range be at this point on a full charge according the car's display?
There's no good answer for that. As you've noticed, that value can vary and it's based upon recent driving history.

If you drove very efficiently or had a long downhill grade prior to charging to full, the stupid GOM value will be high. The converse is true, as well.

Mods: Please move merge this thread with one of the others like http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=19967 or http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=19739&hilit=when+will+bar.
 
Drekonah said:
I wish I could just stop driving but that may not be an option. Maybe I'll be like that one guy that lost it at 59996.

If your In Service date is 12/29/13, you have plenty of time, but not many miles left. IMO, you should have lost the 4th bar by now. Are you sure that you still count 9 capacity bars (the smaller ones to the right of the charge bars? I lost my 4th bar at 65%. Since you have plenty of time, DO NOT keep driving it past 60,000 miles. That is a $6,000 mistake. Rent a car if you have to, and in the meantime charge to 100% all the time and let the car sit.
 
With 2 weeks to go before the 5 year expiration date and 58500 miles, I have finally dropped the 4th bar. My status were 43.41 AHr and 66% SOH. AHr started jumping around. The night before it was at 43.41 and yesterday morning when I turned on the car it read 43.7 AHr but I looked at the gauge and it had lost the 4th bar, I almost jumped out of the car and started doing the happy dance. I took it in and they told me it would take a couple of days for Nissan to approve the battery replacement but they ended up calling me in a couple of hours and said that Nissan approved it and that I can come pick up the car. They said that it would take 4 - 6 weeks for them to get the battery in and they would give me a call.
 
Good news is that I can stop driving my car now. Fender bender last night put me out of work. Was driving uber. Another uber driver didn't yield on green when turning left. Anyway, I have just under 300 miles left. But my warranty period ends in October. I bought it used. I spoke with a rep before and they told me it's based on original purchase date which was some time in October 2011. Can you guys verify if that is accurate? Also it's definitely still 9. 2 red and 7 white bars.
 
Yes, that's correct. You can call 800-NO-GAS-EV to check. I suggest that you read several other threads on this topic and follow the suggestions to get a new battery. Otherwise you are making a $6000 mistake. EDIT: Consider updating your profile with location so we can give any additional location-specific assistance.

Here are just a few of the threads:
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=21514#p453456
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=21344#p450752
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=21918&p=460589#p460584
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21152
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8802&p=459884#p459884
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=21597#p454867
 
Checking in....

I'm at:
odo: 59,888 miles
AHr: 41.80
SOH = 63%

Bars remaining: 9

I don't understand why I haven't lost the 9th like the rest of you. I just don't think it's going to happen in time.
 
More on the microclimates and temp deltas mentioned at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=464260#p464260 for the SF Bay Area...
cwerdna said:
On this note, for the 6/28/16 forecast, channel 7 news showed map where they called out a 38 degree difference within 50 miles. Specifically they forecasted 64 degrees for Half Moon Bay and 102 for Antioch.

edit: update on 6/28: On the 11 pm news on 6/27, the recorded high temps ranged from 61 F at Half Moon Bay to 87 in my city to 99 in Morgan Hill and 102 in Concord and Livermore. So, the delta from highest to lowest was 41 F.
Today, on KPIX news, they mentioned 44 degree (!) difference at locations just 45 miles apart They said it was 58 F in Pacifica while it was 102 in Vacaville.
 
RCEV13 said:
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I don't understand why I haven't lost the 9th like the rest of you. I just don't think it's going to happen in time.
That close on miles stop driving the car much.
But use it in your garage running AC or Defrost on 90F high fan with windows open and do multiple cycles of discharge and recharge and start stop.

The SOH, AHr, and Hx do not update unless vehicle moves some distance.

But my fourth capacity bar dropped after a couple days use in the garage with the vehicle not having moved.

Keeping pack warm 103F or higher may also be important in bar loss.
But I think it also requires charge discharge cycles.

You are close.
Good luck.
 
Checking in.....

AHrs: 41.5
SoH: 63%
Odo: 59,962

Going to rent a car next week, to see if it will drop in the driveway doing what Tim suggested. $200 car rental/wk is less than $5,500...though I'll likely pay on both fronts.

If a line of code dictates when the 9th bar drops, I'd love to read it.
 
Update:

At 100% charge my SOC is 91.2%, GIDS = 168, SOH 63%, bars 9.

My car is a 2013 SL for what it's worth. Most people who have lost bar #9 appear to be 2011/2012 owners. Mostly?
 
RCEV13 said:
Update:

At 100% charge my SOC is 91.2%, GIDS = 168, SOH 63%, bars 9.

My car is a 2013 SL for what it's worth. Most people who have lost bar #9 appear to be 2011/2012 owners. Mostly?
Yeah, but given your purchase date of Feb 2013 per http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13194&p=343395#p343395, your build date is before 4/2013. It seems '13 Leafs built on/after 4/2013 have batteries that degrade less.

If http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2523&p=270420#p270420 is still true, San Jose is definitely a hotter part of the Bay Area and Livermore is very hot. And, you're cycling the battery a lot more deeply than me, due to your long commute. Mine is only ~12 to 13 miles each way.

If you haven't already, please add your data to http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real_World_Battery_Capacity_Loss.

That's a bummer that you're so close in terms of the mileage limit but haven't lost the 4th bar yet. Hope you can do it before the limit. If you hit it, I would get the car towed, so that you don't end up over 60K miles when at the dealer.
 
RCEV13 said:
Update:

At 100% charge my SOC is 91.2%, GIDS = 168, SOH 63%, bars 9.

My car is a 2013 SL for what it's worth. Most people who have lost bar #9 appear to be 2011/2012 owners. Mostly?


Nissan Powerwall time. Hook up an inverter to power up your fridge or something! You are deadly close...
 
Evoforce said:
RCEV13 said:
Update:

At 100% charge my SOC is 91.2%, GIDS = 168, SOH 63%, bars 9.

My car is a 2013 SL for what it's worth. Most people who have lost bar #9 appear to be 2011/2012 owners. Mostly?


Nissan Powerwall time. Hook up an inverter to power up your fridge or something! You are deadly close...
Yep. And when not being used as a Powerwall or doing what Tim suggested, let it bake out in the sun at 100% charge.

Although you don't want to move it much, due to being SO close on mileage, if there's a CHAdeMO DC FC within a few miles, drain the battery then DC FC to it nearly full while it's hot out, and then leave the car outside to bake with the AC running on full. DC FCing at high power will heat up the battery real well.
 
cwerdna said:
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Although you don't want to move it much, due to being SO close on mileage, if there's a CHAdeMO DC FC within a few miles, drain the battery then DC FC to it nearly full while it's hot out, and then leave the car outside to bake with the AC running on full. DC FCing at high power will heat up the battery real well.
Don't do that :shock:

Part of what made me two weeks late was the dealer DCQC finally was repaired and I used it a couple weeks before my deadline.

Yes it does heat the battery.
But it also in the short term improves battery statistics.

Had I had free DCQC available nine months before deadline doing it would have helped.

But if close I would NOT do it.

Also my recommendation was inside a closed garage.
On a driveway pack will not be much above ambient.

Cycles will help.
But you really need the pack HOT.
Above 103F.
Above 110F if possible.
 
Ah, but then I'd have to clean out the garage to get the car in there. I'm just cycling it in the driveway...running the heater. Our driveway does have an oven quality...limited air flow, large reflective aluminum garage door...and the car has been baking 5 days a week in a tree-less livermore ca parking lot for 3 years...the last 1.5 years it trickle charges from 20-30% back to 80-90% in 8 to 9hrs...Monday through Friday...there was a wait list at work for ev charging.

The Kia Rio rental is booked for next week. I'm giving it one week to drop. Then whatever happens. For all I know 2013s are hard coded not to lose 9 bars. But that's conspiracy theory talk.
 
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