smilroy
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2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:23 pm

Can someone tell me if it's ok or normal that the range in my Leaf when purchased went from 97 miles last week to 85 miles this morning? The battery shows full capacity and shows full charge, all bars and the percentage charge shows 100% too. The only thing that has changed is the range numerical value next to the bars has dropped. I bought a new 2013 SL this past week! This Tuesday when I woke from trickle charge is read 95, then by Friday morning it had dropped to 87 miles, then this morning it read 85 miles. WTF!....

On the good side yesterday when I drove the car about 20 miles the range only dropped a couple of miles. Does this mean anything to anybody??

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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:33 pm

It's learning how you drive and the range number adjusts accordingly. I wouldn't stress too much about that. The car is likely behaving as Nissan predicted it would.

You will also quickly learn that the range guide is commonly referred to by owners as the GOM (Guess-O-Meter) which basically means that the range guide is trying to estimate how far you can go but still struggles at being very accurate and can vary drastically.
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:34 pm

It only means that the number you're referring to is called the GOM or "guess-o-meter" and it shouldn't be used for precision, just general info.

It reflects history of how you drove the car, and will change dynamically up and down as you go up and down hills, etc. Some people actually cover up the number and just use the bar display.

How about using the State of Charge display right above the odometer? That's new for the 2013 models....

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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:41 pm

The 2013 DTE is very accurate now. It's much different than before and mine doesn't fluctuate anymore. In fact, I no longer need my BCM as the DTE matches it perfectly most of the time or it's only different by one, then perfectly matches it again.
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:58 pm

LEAFfan wrote:The 2013 DTE is very accurate now. It's much different than before and mine doesn't fluctuate anymore. In fact, I no longer need my BCM as the DTE matches it perfectly most of the time or it's only different by one, then perfectly matches it again.
Considering this person is so know you probably would want to limit the TLAs.
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:04 pm

anything + or - 20% has no meaning.

If you live up on a hill it is even worse.
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:08 pm

your range has not been reduced, only the estimate of the range and you are the one who admitted that the range estimate was inaccurate on your 20 mile drive so why would you think it accurate now?

i turned on my LEAF this morning and it gave me a range of 118 miles which is not going to happen. would be nice but it simply aint there
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:14 pm

Whole new threads started about the inaccurate GOM earn the coveted "dog chasing his tail" award:


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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:17 pm

It's not unexpected that some new LEAF drivers will be confused by the GOM, or "distance to empty" range estimates.

My understanding is that the Tesla S has the concept of "rated range", which directly correlates to remaining charge and not to one's driving history. A Tesla S with a brand new, fully charged, room temperature 85 kWh battery should have a rated range value of 265 miles, corresponding with the EPA's range rating on the car. The Tesla S can also display a "predicted range" value which depends on driving behavior/conditions.

By contrast, the LEAF only displays a predicted range value which while better in the 2013 model is prone to fluctuation. There is no "rated range". Look at the SOC value or charge bars for a better idea of how much charge you have left.
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Re: 2013 SL - Range Dropped quickly

Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:04 pm

ImageThere are couple of videos from a new owner, which are making rounds on Facebook. I believe that this owner has elevated the art of taking the guessometer literally to a new level. Let's hope that the GOM is better and more accurate in 2013 LEAFs, just like LEAFfan has said. Nissan would be also well advised to educate new owners better, via YouTube videos and otherwise. It would also be a good idea to set realistic range expectations, instead of pushing the old 100-miles mantra.


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