klapauzius wrote:AndyH wrote:Maybe my problem, klapauzius, but I have a difficult time seeing how our politicians can be a solution to anything at this point - especially if we need to have anything done quickly.
We may have to side-step our political system and join the organizations and movements that are already building the parallel systems - they're working as if the 'old' systems don't exist -- they're being the change they want to see.
Nope, big mistake! Look at occupy.
Sorry - another place to agree to disagree. Occupy is doing what THEY intend right now - not what the press or establishment THINK they should be doing. Humongeous difference! Look, for example, at how far and wide the 99%/1% meme has spread. Look at how many foreclosures have been stopped by local protesters camping in yards. These just two examples.
klapauzius wrote: The power to actually make things happen on a grand scale rests mostly with the political system (and whoever controls it).
Sure you can have your little initiatives here and there, but this will have a minimal impact at best.
The problem with all the whatever-root organization is that they are not coherent.
And coherent action is what is required.
Germanys anti-nuclear-power movement has been working for decades to no avail. Then the ruling coalition figures they are going to lose a vote, and nuclear power is done for (almost) good in Germany. What grassroots organizations could not accomplish over three decades was done by one single person (the chancellor, i.e. the head of the government) in mere weeks.
Wasn't it the long-term beating of the anti-nuclear drum that raised the temperature under the politicians nether regions that finally caused the movement?
Step back - farther! Look at that beautiful big picture!
There are many folks in 'agriculture' for example that are absolutely against genetically modified food or our reliance on the pesticide treadmill - and they've simply stepped off and started a parallel roadway. Some are organic, some are biodymanic, some are natural, some use permaculture processes. As the numbers of organic farms and the demand for their products grew, some of 'big ag' got involved to meet the demand. No politician caused that change. It all started with a growing bunch of BP-esque "little people."
Besides - out political system is quite different from that in the Bundesrepublic.
If what you're suggesting is correct, then ML King, M Gandhi, and similar points of focus would have no power - and it's clear that's not the case.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!"
Margaret Mead 1901-1978