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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:10 pm 
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KeiJidosha wrote:
FFE is a compact, LEAF a midsize, so numbers surprised me too.

Ofcourse, that classification is based on total volume ...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Fox news rewiev of FFE
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/04/26/test-drive-2012-ford-focus-electric/


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:18 pm 
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but over the course of my brief test drive the car lost less range than the distance it covered


That observation caught my attention.. It is not clear how much of the test driving by this author was done on the highway .vs. city streets, but if you get a range that is shown on the dash, that is a good thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:21 pm 
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but over the course of my brief test drive the car lost less range than the distance it covered


That observation caught my attention.. It is not clear how much of the test driving by this author was done on the highway .vs. city streets, but if you get a range that is shown on the dash, that is a good thing.

When people write this kind of a thing without telling what type of driving it was - it shows the inexperience of the driver. Basically a useless piece of info. We need experienced EV drivers to drive FFE and tell us about it (until we can all test drive).

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:58 pm 
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I love this line in the review: "Leather seats are a $1,000 option, the only one. Cattle are renewable, after all."

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:37 am 
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I love this line in the review: "Leather seats are a $1,000 option, the only one. Cattle are renewable, after all."

A lot of people seem to think so - since they ignore what it takes to convert that hide into leather (or for that matter how fossil fuel intensive the modern dairy is). I remember Lyle making the same argument on gm-volt ...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:11 am 
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A lot of people seem to think so - since they ignore what it takes to convert that hide into leather (or for that matter how fossil fuel intensive the modern dairy is). I remember Lyle making the same argument on gm-volt ...


A few questions:

What is the incremental cost of making leather from cattle that are already being raised and slaughtered?

Does upholstery leather come from dairy cows or beef cattle, or both?

What is there about a dairy that is fossil fuel intensive that couldn't be electrified?

Is that 84mph limit accurate on the FFE?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:27 am 
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evnow wrote:
adric22 wrote:
I love this line in the review: "Leather seats are a $1,000 option, the only one. Cattle are renewable, after all."

A lot of people seem to think so - since they ignore what it takes to convert that hide into leather (or for that matter how fossil fuel intensive the modern dairy is). I remember Lyle making the same argument on gm-volt ...

So is leather in a Focus different from leather in any other vehicle or handbag for that matter?
I never get why EVs seem to be held to an independent standard. But then FOX would otherwise not have much to say :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:35 pm 
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If going a buy a "Guess-O-Meter" equivalent, it is meaningless.

If my Leaf has been driven aggressively for a bit, and then I take a short trip paying attention to economy, it often goes back with much more range showing than I started off with.

Meaningless. Of course that reviewer might have noted that range increases as you drive, so you probably never need to charge it!

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but over the course of my brief test drive the car lost less range than the distance it covered


That observation caught my attention.. It is not clear how much of the test driving by this author was done on the highway .vs. city streets, but if you get a range that is shown on the dash, that is a good thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:38 pm 
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evnow wrote:
adric22 wrote:
I love this line in the review: "Leather seats are a $1,000 option, the only one. Cattle are renewable, after all."

A lot of people seem to think so - since they ignore what it takes to convert that hide into leather (or for that matter how fossil fuel intensive the modern dairy is). I remember Lyle making the same argument on gm-volt ...

So is leather in a Focus different from leather in any other vehicle or handbag for that matter?
I never get why EVs seem to be held to an independent standard. But then FOX would otherwise not have much to say :roll:


i dont think so. leather is leather. i think leather trimmed seats are the best you can get in the EV

the plastic is post consumer, the cloth and foam from the seats are made with plant seed oil which is a bit novel i guess.

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