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scottf200 said:
Pretty close to being 'simple' math for the masses. 10000/20

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SNIP..


Great stats. Makes us normal Volt users feel ashamed -- at least until I remember that almost all my longer trips would have been in in my wife's Outback at 25-28mpg (and at distances beyond what I could do in a Leaf). So even though my 6000 miles have used 40 gallons, if the long trips had been in my wife Outback it would have been 60+.
But that is a nuance that is only worth taking about with people already leaning heavy to efficiency. For the average Joe/Nancy, your image should peak their interest.
 
GaslessInSeattle said:
1542 MPG! that's fantastic, made my day, I'll file that one away from the ObamaVolt bashers. The more people who understand that this is possible, the better! You just have to keep repeating it, over and over. If it takes a lot to get EV owners to get this, it only goes to show ICE drivers need it emphasized even more. PHEV offer the single car owner a way to drastically curb their gas consumption, virtually eliminate it without being range limited. What the media has done to the Volt verges on criminal. when the main stream finally comes around, they will be pissed they were misled for so long. "Go tell it on the mountain" people!!!
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That's the third place number on VoltStats for the literal Miles traveled Per Gallon used... :D
 
DrInnovation said:
Great stats. Makes us normal Volt users feel ashamed -- at least until I remember that almost all my longer trips would have been in in my wife's Outback at 25-28mpg (and at distances beyond what I could do in a Leaf). So even though my 6000 miles have used 40 gallons, if the long trips had been in my wife Outback it would have been 60+.
But that is a nuance that is only worth taking about with people already leaning heavy to efficiency. For the average Joe/Nancy, your image should peak their interest.
Thanks. I'm very impressed in my 1st year with the Volt (1 yr tomorrow). I probably drove more conservative this year. I did, however, still make a conscientious decision to drive the Volt on days I knew I'd be using gas by the end of the day for traveling out of the norm. I said to myself ... that is why you bought the Volt ... drive it!! My numbers are likely to go down this spring/summer as I take some more trips to racquetball tournaments out of Chicagoland and my wife and I take some road trips (weekends) this summer. My college age boys can fend for themselves!
 
scottf200 said:
My 2011 does not show my kWh usage. This guys with a 2012 that does show kWh used sees 23.1 kWh / 100 miles.

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Understand the left shot of the car's display, what is the right? Is that the same person?
One trip doing .231kwh/m but a lifetime of .36kWh/m?

My lifetime (6000 miles) is .310 kwh/m. for EV mode.
It can be pretty easily/accurately estimated from Voltstats.net data. I can give you an excel sheet if you PM me.
 
DrInnovation said:
scottf200 said:
My 2011 does not show my kWh usage. This guys with a 2012 that does show kWh used sees 23.1 kWh / 100 miles.

Understand the left shot of the car's display, what is the right? Is that the same person?
One trip doing .231kwh/m but a lifetime of .36kWh/m?

My lifetime (6000 miles) is .310 kwh/m. for EV mode.
It can be pretty easily/accurately estimated from Voltstats.net data. I can give you an excel sheet if you PM me.
Sorry for the confusion. I was mainly pointing out the left screen. The right is his myvolt.com which he was pointing out did not match. Clearly he drives with a light foot.
I'll get with you on that spreadsheet. I liked your forumla on gm-volt, BTW.
 
Must have been going downhill for that. My average is 34 kwh per 100. I don't know how that compares to most.
 
CarZin said:
Must have been going downhill for that. My average is 34 kwh per 100. I don't know how that compares to most.
So you are going about 31 EV miles per full charge? 34kWh/10.4kWh=3.269 full charges and 100mi/3.269=30.58 EV miles per full charge

In great weather and calm driving I've gotten 50 miles on a charge (10.4 kWh) so if I did that twice number of miles wouldn't I be at 20.8kWh. This would not be my average for several months living in Chicagoland. Perhaps his numbers were from some great driving and he lives in a fair weather state. Perhaps my math/thoughts are wrong since it is 1:30am :) Obviously I'm leaving off charging overhead and using all of the 10.4 is a little optimistic but I've seen 2012 owners talk about 10 or 9.9.
 
I think the number includes efficiency loss of electricity during the charge cycle. So, even though the car only gives you 10 kwh to use for driving, it took 13.8 kwh of energy to give you that 10.
It is confirmed using your math because the math matches what I see:
34kWh/13.8kWh=2.46 full charges and 100mi/2.46=40.65 EV miles per full charge

I am averaging about 45 miles of range right now in a cool climate. I was averaging about 33 in a cold climate. I am expecting about 45-50 in a month from now.

BTW... Some of you may find this useful. My new blog which gives some arguments about the pros/cons of a Volt. Lots of good information.

http://voltowner.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
GM just idled the Volt plant for 5 weeks.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120302/BUSINESS0101/120302035/Volt-production-on-hold-for-5-weeks?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With sales up and the first Volts that are HOV sticker capable just getting to CA it doesn't seem to make much sense - regardless this is bad news.
 
Sasparilla said:
GM just idled the Volt plant for 5 weeks.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120302/BUSINESS0101/120302035/Volt-production-on-hold-for-5-weeks?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With sales up and the first Volts that are HOV sticker capable just getting to CA it doesn't seem to make much sense - regardless this is bad news.
Yea, I'd read that on the way home too:

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ilding-slow-selling-chevy-volts-for-5-weeks/1

GM sez "5 weeks" . . . to what end . . . to see how things go? Is GM expecting the average buyer to start making more money soon? What are they doing? Does anyone know what ratio of Volts sold went to actual real people, as opposed to municipalities / government agencies / company fleets / dealer to dealer sales? GM has been known to "deal from the bottom of the deck" (that's as nice as I can put it) over the decades, so I'm wondering how benign this production shut down really is. I remember when GM kept pumping out Hummers way beyond the hand full of customers ... the dealers would just rent parking lots at the local malls to store them ... so as to not look like there was a glut of 'em pouring out the dealer's nostrils. I feel bad for the many folks that'll likely be out of work for (at least) the next 5 weeks.

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hill said:
Sasparilla said:
GM just idled the Volt plant for 5 weeks.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120302/BUSINESS0101/120302035/Volt-production-on-hold-for-5-weeks?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With sales up and the first Volts that are HOV sticker capable just getting to CA it doesn't seem to make much sense - regardless this is bad news.
Yea, I'd read that on the way home too:

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ilding-slow-selling-chevy-volts-for-5-weeks/1

GM sez "5 weeks" . . . to what end . . . to see how things go? Is GM expecting the average buyer to start making more money soon? What are they doing? Does anyone know what ratio of Volts sold went to actual real people, as opposed to municipalities / government agencies / company fleets / dealer to dealer sales? GM has been known to "deal from the bottom of the deck" (that's as nice as I can put it) over the decades, so I'm wondering how benign this production shut down really is. I remember when GM kept pumping out Hummers way beyond the hand full of customers ... the dealers would just rent parking lots at the local malls to store them ... so as to not look like there was a glut of 'em pouring out the dealer's nostrils. I feel bad for the many folks that'll likely be out of work for (at least) the next 5 weeks.
I think they just did not like the Ford Focus Electric (FFE) appearing to beat up the LEAF today with it's news so they were trying to take some of the heat off the LEAF. You're welcome. <grin>

From a GM person:
Don't fall for the headlines - media LOVE turning this nugget into more than it is. We have plenty of Volts built and available (even though some dealers may be empty) ... the last thing you want is a saturated market - that is old school way of running a car company. We now build to meet demand. Today we did a full court press to create even more demand! I personally did 40 tv and radio interviews announcing the incentives in CA. Demand will spike! And we'll have cars available. Volt is the most important car we've ever done - no way will we back off!
 
scottf200 said:
From a GM person:
Don't fall for the headlines - media LOVE turning this nugget into more than it is. ..............snip........... Demand will spike! And we'll have cars available. Volt is the most important car we've ever done - no way will we back off!
That's good news . . . . Link?
 
Several new blog posts:

Cost to run with my usage compared to other cars and visualization of the gallons they would burn over a year
http://voltowner.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My Volt MPG and Statistics: 350 MPG and Climbing
http://voltowner.blogspot.com/2012/0...tatistics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Practical considerations: Is the Volt right for me?
http://voltowner.blogspot.com/2012/0...olt-right.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Follow me on twitter: @voltdriver
 
From Facebook Volt page: Internet Sales Specialist in San Diego, California
We have sold 18 of the 30 we have coming in and have none on the lot. Hopefully CA has enough to sell as we are in a roll. The 0% for buyers and the addition of the HOV eligibility has created a sales frenzy. Oh and of course has well over $4.50 a gallon, too.
 
scottf200 said:
From Facebook Volt page: Internet Sales Specialist in San Diego, California
We have sold 18 of the 30 we have coming in and have none on the lot. Hopefully CA has enough to sell as we are in a roll. The 0% for buyers and the addition of the HOV eligibility has created a sales frenzy. Oh and of course has well over $4.50 a gallon, too.
That's good news for at least ONE dealership if true. But evidently it doesn't put a dent in the 100+ day inventory. I wonder if the "18 of the 30" are only the newer/cleaner Volts, not yet delivered - that they won't deliver until the old back log gets sold.

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hill said:
scottf200 said:
From Facebook Volt page: Internet Sales Specialist in San Diego, California
We have sold 18 of the 30 we have coming in and have none on the lot. Hopefully CA has enough to sell as we are in a roll. The 0% for buyers and the addition of the HOV eligibility has created a sales frenzy. Oh and of course has well over $4.50 a gallon, too.
That's good news for at least ONE dealership if true. But evidently it doesn't put a dent in the 100+ day inventory. I wonder if the "18 of the 30" are only the newer/cleaner Volts, not yet delivered - that they won't deliver until the old back log gets sold..
From a dealer in NY who was quite happy!
Great News From GM...The 2012 Chevrolet Volt is being refitted to gain access to HOV lanes in NY....This will Boost Sales tremendously.....I can't wait!!!
Gas is up to an average of 3.89 on Long Island. Consumers are beginning to get nervous and concerned. Delivered 2 Volt's yesterday. And the Beat Goes On...
 
I've been stopped by strangers a few times in the last couple of days asking about the Leaf. Gas prices definitely are on people's mind which has to be good for EVs and hybrids.

I can't blame them for wanting to equate supply with demand at their target price, but the start-stop nature of the decision suggests something is wrong with management. What did they do, look at the report from February and react? Maybe there is a reason but it seems too mercurial.
 
SanDust said:
I've been stopped by strangers a few times in the last couple of days asking about the Leaf. Gas prices definitely are on people's mind which has to be good for EVs and hybrids.
Notice any similarities between these two maps !?!?!?
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/OwnerMap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
SanDust said:
I can't blame them for wanting to equate supply with demand at their target price, but the start-stop nature of the decision suggests something is wrong with management. What did they do, look at the report from February and react? Maybe there is a reason but it seems too mercurial.
They were making A LOT (4 times) more than they were selling. As well certainly they know what the order pipeline looks like. The Volt will generate some extra energy (WOT) and then shut off for a little while when traveling a modest speed (65) on the highway. Irony. Perhaps they overbuilt for CA. Wish they send quite a few just north to Canada (or overseas like the LEAF). Even with their winters the Volt works well. Of course I think they headlines would then read that with the "bailout" GM is taking the money out of the USA. There would be a negative spin. The politics of this car is the crazying thing I've ever seen by comparison to American pride and people wanting (or saying) they want American companies to be innovative and take some risk.

They also stopped the Corvette plant a few years ago when they were producing "too" many by comparison to sales.
 
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