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Did you Buy or Lease ?
Buy : Was going to buy and bought 34%  34%  [ 129 ]
Buy : Was going to lease but bought 7%  7%  [ 26 ]
Lease : Was going to lease and leased 35%  35%  [ 133 ]
Lease : Was going to buy but leased 14%  14%  [ 51 ]
Waiting... 10%  10%  [ 38 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:19 am 
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Haven't seen this mentioned before, but in my state the very generous refundable $6000 tax credit is is prorated on leased vehicles based on the capitalized cost. That means that I don't get to take all of the tax credit if I lease.

For that reason, I'll be buying. I also tend to keep cars 20+ years, but if a better range EV comes along I may consider trading for a new one in a few years.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:42 pm 
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DaveinOlyWA wrote:
because of TV game shows,( i think, at least i have heard that excuse several times including when i worked for the State waaay back when) CA State levies sales tax based on MSRP value, not the actual sales price. most other states (MA might be an exception) base it on the sales price.
Close, but not quite accurate. Game show winnings are considered income, so you pay state and federal income tax on your winnings, not sales tax. The bad news is that your income tax liability will be assessed on the retail value of the prize (MSRP, in the case of winning a car), whether the game show got it for less or not (they often receive discounts or free items from manufacturers for promotional value). There is no sales tax due on the transfer of an automobile to a contest winner when sales tax has been paid on the prior transfer of the automobile to the promoter of the contest. The transfer to the contest winner is not a taxable sale because the automobile is acquired by chance or skill, and there is no use tax liability because the automobile is received as a gift or premium rather than a purchase.

In a straight retail purchase of a new car from a dealer, however, the sales tax in CA on the purchase is not based on MSRP, it is based on the actual sale price. I bought my Leaf for $1,000 under MSRP and paid tax only on the purchase price, not MSRP.

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now if leasing, i dont know. that might be different.
I tried to explain this in my previous post above. In the case of a lease, the tax is measured by the "rentals" payable. Generally, the applicable tax is a use tax upon the use in this state of the property by the lessee. The lessor must collect the tax from the lessee at the time rentals are paid by the lessee and give him or her a receipt. The lessor (Nissan in this case) is crediting your lease purchase agreement for $7500 up front (the tax credit they will receive on the vehicle from the Feds) as a "capital reduction" on the price, but it is still part of your rental purchase price, and the tax is still assessed on it up front, along with any other down payment you make at that time. Then you pay tax on each of your lease payments as you make them. At the end, you pay tax on the residual value, if you decide to keep the car. If you don't, then the dealer charges tax on the value of the used car when they sell it to someone else. Even if you keep the car and then sell it privately later on, the new owner has to pay use tax when they register it and transfer title. In the end, the state gets their $$$ on the full purchase price of the car (and more), either way.

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if you have any questions or doubt on the CA State sales tax. talk to anyone who recently upgraded to a "free" phone and find out what they paid.
This is a whole 'nother ball of wax--there are specific sales tax laws in CA regarding telecommunications devices, especially when "bundled" with services at a deep discount. Directly from the CA tax code: "BUNDLED TRANSACTIONS. Tax applies to the gross receipts from the retail sale of a wireless telecommunication device sold in a bundled transaction, measured by the unbundled sales price of that device. Tax applies to the unbundled sales price whether the wireless telecommunication device and utility service are sold for a single price or are separately itemized in the context of a sale or on a sales invoice. The retailer of the wireless telecommunication device is required to report and pay tax measured by the unbundled sales price of the device and may collect tax or tax reimbursement from its customer measured by the unbundled sales price. Tax does not apply to the charges in excess of the unbundled sales price made for telecommunication services." In other words, they may give you the phone for free or at a discounted price as a promotion in order to get you to buy the bundled service, but they have to charge sales tax based on the unbundled value of the phone. (See http://www.boe.ca.gov/lawguides/business/current/btlg/vol1/sutr/1585.html for more than you want to know about this subject.)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:43 pm 
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well i think that just about clears it up!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:43 pm 
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DaveinOlyWA wrote:
well i think that just about clears it up!


I don't think it even scratches the surface. We need SOOOO much more :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:49 pm 
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You don't pay sales tax on the credit. You pay sales tax on the purchase price of the car.
Later, the Federal Government feels like giving you some money (a credit). I don't understand how you think that changes the purchase price of the car.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:42 pm 
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I planned on leasing and ended up leasing.
Too much uncertainty on what the future will bring.
1. Uncertainty on the residual value if better and cheaper EVs are available in 3 years.
2. Uncertainty on the battery life. Losing electric range is not a big deal for a Volt but it is a big deal for the Leaf.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:05 am 
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Was going to buy but ended up leasing. Cost of ownership was lower. Plan to buy after 3 or 4 months...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:44 pm 
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Was going to buy but decided to lease after Nissan said in a press release that after 5 years the battery should have 80% capacity. That thought was confirmed when I saw the following in the front of the 2012 owners manual.
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NISSAN estimates that the battery capacity will be approximately 80% of the original capacity after five years, although this is only an estimate, and this percentage may vary (and could be significantly lower) depending on the individual vehicle and Li-ion battery usage.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:51 pm 
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I had intention of leasing it as the monthly cost was attractive and I did not have to worry about $7500 rebate that is absorbed in the lease. However, Maryland has $2000 rebate only on purchase so I ended up buying it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:24 pm 
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Greensleafs wrote:
I planned on leasing and ended up leasing.
Too much uncertainty on what the future will bring.
1. Uncertainty on the residual value if better and cheaper EVs are available in 3 years.
2. Uncertainty on the battery life. Losing electric range is not a big deal for a Volt but it is a big deal for the Leaf.


I'm leasing for the same reasons. Several people I trust have told me over the years to never lease a car, but I think this is a special case.

My specific concern is how the battery capacity will be affected by our Las Vegas summers. They chew up lead acid car batteries.


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