arnolddeleon
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Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:24 pm

I have an upgraded EVSE plus a basic set of adapters that all fit in the original case.

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Two cases with charging goodies by arnolddeleon, on Flickr

This is the contents of the main case

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Contents by arnolddeleon, on Flickr

The small case holds a multimeter ($15 on Amazon). I could have found a smaller meter and fit into the original case but I had the small case handy already. If I get bored I might file down the ground pin on the 10-30 adapter to make a 10-30/50 adapter. For now I kept the 50A ground blade in the small case. The small padlock is luggage lock that I already had, I don't expect it to stop a determined person.

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Contents of the little case by arnolddeleon, on Flickr


The full set of pictures showing where it lives in the car and each part being packed back into the case.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnolddeleon/sets/72157627434383990/

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:59 pm

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:47 am

Have you tested this on a 10-30 outlet?
I have a 10-30 outlet my dryer is attached to in my garage. I am hoping to get an upgraded EVSE and charge off of it but was concerned that the lack of a proper ground would prevent charging.

Thanks!
Mike
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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:40 am

mdvb747 wrote:Have you tested this on a 10-30 outlet?
I have a 10-30 outlet my dryer is attached to in my garage. I am hoping to get an upgraded EVSE and charge off of it but was concerned that the lack of a proper ground would prevent charging.
Yep! I've done it with no problem at all. The only difference between a neutral and a ground on a dedicated outlet is how the appliance uses it. Both are connected to ground at the breaker panel. You should have no problem at all.
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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:44 am

davewill wrote:
mdvb747 wrote:Have you tested this on a 10-30 outlet?
I have a 10-30 outlet my dryer is attached to in my garage. I am hoping to get an upgraded EVSE and charge off of it but was concerned that the lack of a proper ground would prevent charging.
Yep! I've done it with no problem at all. The only difference between a neutral and a ground on a dedicated outlet is how the appliance uses it. Both are connected to ground at the breaker panel. You should have no problem at all.


Same here. No problem charging off my 10-30 dryer outlet.

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:44 pm

davewill wrote:The only difference between a neutral and a ground on a dedicated outlet is how the appliance uses it. Both are connected to ground at the breaker panel.

This is probably true if that dedicated outlet is connected to the main panel. However if the dryer outlet is fed from a subpanel there may be other loads on the subpanel that draw current through the common neutral back to the main panel. This might put voltage spikes on the neutral which could make it unsuitable as an equipment ground. Many years ago I worked in a building where the neutrals and grounds got mixed up in a subpanel. It would blow RS232 line drivers in computers connected to that subpanel when the big copy machine, also connected to that subpanel, generated a big turn-on spike. After separating the grounds and neutrals properly at the subpanel, the problem went away.

I'm not sure I'd risk my EVSE by connecting it to a 10-30 on a subpanel, but it should work fine if the 10-30 is fed from a dedicated circuit on the main panel.

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:28 pm

mdvb747 wrote:Have you tested this on a 10-30 outlet?
I have a 10-30 outlet my dryer is attached to in my garage. I am hoping to get an upgraded EVSE and charge off of it but was concerned that the lack of a proper ground would prevent charging.

Thanks!
Mike


This is precisely the setup in my garage which I've been using for 2 months now with no problem at all.
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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:41 am

tps wrote:
davewill wrote:The only difference between a neutral and a ground on a dedicated outlet is how the appliance uses it. Both are connected to ground at the breaker panel.

This is probably true if that dedicated outlet is connected to the main panel. However if the dryer outlet is fed from a subpanel there may be other loads on the subpanel that draw current through the common neutral back to the main panel.

While I am sure this configuration is out there, it has never been legal under the NEC. The now obsolete permission for ungrounded dryer outlets required the branch circuit to originate at the main panel.

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:09 am

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Re: Upgraded EVSE and adapters in original bag

Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:57 am

Where did you get the 10-30p to l6-20r adapter? thanks

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