w35t0b
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Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:05 pm

On Google Play, the description of the Leaf Spy app says this about dongles:
The only one currently recommended is the Bluetooth Konnwei KW902...

Sometimes these descriptions don't get updated, so I don't know if this is still the case.

Any suggestions on where to obtain this "gold standard" dongle or if any other dongles are recommended?

Thanks!

cwerdna
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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:15 pm

w35t0b wrote:On Google Play, the description of the Leaf Spy app says this about dongles:
The only one currently recommended is the Bluetooth Konnwei KW902...

Do NOT get the KW-902!

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=23776 is posted by the author himself. There is no point in wasting time w/the KW-902 when there are plenty of others that aren't manufactured incorrectly.

Are you planning to run on iOS or Android? KW-902 won't work on iOS anyway. If you want to run on iOS, the author recommends LELink. Example: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=19147&p=525414&hilit=lelink+manual#p525414.

For Android, he also recommends LELink as long as your phone supports Bluetooth LE, but LELink is expensive. There are cheaper Bluetooth (non-LE) options that will work on Android just fine.
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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:17 pm

I'm on iOS but I would think the adaptor should talk to either OS the same.

This is what I bought in Sept & it has been working flawlessly so far;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QJ ... UTF8&psc=1
2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.7 Warm/Cold weather

09/2018 @ 1,000 miles: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70% / 14mV cell delta
04/2019 @ 10,500 miles: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82% / 05mV cell delta

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:20 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:I'm on iOS but I would think the adaptor should talk to either OS the same.

This is what I bought in Sept & it has been working flawlessly so far;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QJ ... UTF8&psc=1

NO!!!

The iOS version CANNOT work with conventional Bluetooth dongles, only supported Bluetooth LE dongles such as the LELink above.

See viewtopic.php?p=540142#p540142.

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:23 pm

Ugh, why can't anything ever just be simple. My apologies
2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.7 Warm/Cold weather

09/2018 @ 1,000 miles: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70% / 14mV cell delta
04/2019 @ 10,500 miles: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82% / 05mV cell delta

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:27 pm

w35t0b wrote:On Google Play, the description of the Leaf Spy app says this about dongles:
...
Any suggestions on where to obtain this "gold standard" dongle or if any other dongles are recommended?


Since you mention Google Play, if you plan to run on Android, besides expensive LELink (if your phone supports Bluetooth LE), you could try skimming the last few pages of:
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12785
http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wiki/leaf-spy-pro/ under Clone ELM327 Bluetooth Scanner

At viewtopic.php?f=31&t=22368&p=537683&hilit=amazon+work+time#p537683, I pointed to two at viewtopic.php?p=506937#p506937 that work fine for me on my Android phone. I bought them in mid-2015, before the Android version supported Bluetooth LE at all.

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:29 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:Ugh, why can't anything ever just be simple. My apologies

Prior to the iOS version supporting any Bluetooth LE dongles, IIRC, it only worked w/certain wi-fi OBD2 dongles.

The Android version supported Bluetooth (not Bluetooth LE) for ages then later added Bluetooth LE support.

Turbo3 at an EVent ages ago himself showed me an iPod Touch (6th gen, I think) working w/a Bluetooth LE dongle. At the time, it might've been work in progress or just completed. (Turbo3 lives a few miles from me and it was likely at an EVent at Nisan's Sunnyvale research office years ago.)

BTW, I have pinged him at least once to remove the verbiage of "The only one currently recommended is the Bluetooth Konnwei KW902 which still supports all the needed ELM commands to communicate with the Leaf..." from https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... e&hl=en_US given his own dis-recommendation.

Unfortunately, https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... 1&hl=en_US has the same problem while https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... o&hl=en_US is correct.
Due to a recent cost reduction (and feature reduction) many of the cheap ELM327 OBDII Bluetooth adapters from Asia no longer work with the Leaf and report themselves to be version 2.1. The previously recommended Bluetooth Konnwei KW902 OBDII adapter is also no longer recommended as a batch of defective ones have made their way into the market. These will basically short out your Leaf's CAN bus (or any CAN bus they are plugged into). But when removed do not seem to cause any lasting damage.

With the release of version 0.39.97 LeafSpy Pro now supports two Bluetooth 4.x LE approved adapters. The recommended one is the LELink available from Amazon. Bluetooth 4.x LE has the advantage of not needing to be paired and lower power from both the Android device and the Leaf. The LELink is highly recommended and also works with the iOS version of LeafSpy Pro.

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:40 pm

Well, I'm so glad I posted the question.

I hope Turbo3 edits the description on Google Play. People tend to give some credence to the develper's words, especially when it's stated so emphatically.

Thanks for all the input, and I'm sorry I didn't specify that I'm using Android.

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:50 pm

Well you did say Google play store so I knew you were on Android. I was simply ignorant to the fact that there's a technical difference since so often the two OS'es copy each other
2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.7 Warm/Cold weather

09/2018 @ 1,000 miles: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70% / 14mV cell delta
04/2019 @ 10,500 miles: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82% / 05mV cell delta

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Re: Leaf spy dongle

Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:10 pm

Do wifi dongles inherently connect better than Bluetooth dongles?

This Veepeak wifi model has an average 3.9/5 rating of a total 1144 reviews. 3 of those reviews mentioned using Leaf Spy; 2 said it worked well, 1 said he could not get it to work
https://www.amazon.com/Veepeak-Scanner- ... d=leaf+spy

This Veepeak Bluetooth model has an average 4.3/5 rating of a total 1173 reviews. 6 of those reviews mentioned using Leaf Spy; they all said it worked well.
https://www.amazon.com/Veepeak-Bluetoot ... d=leaf+spy

Thanks for your input!

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