cmwade77
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:46 pm

SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:As a money question, I would just calculate pennies per mile.
$6000/40k miles works out to 15 cents a mile.

That is a pretty reasonable cap cost to run a car, so the real question is whether the car fulfills the owner's drive requirements.
The economics pencil out much nicer with PV :-)

Yeah, but you should get at least 60,000 out of a new battery, after all that is the capacity warranty on them and if you purchase a new battery, it comes with a new warranty, so it really should be $0.10. That being said if you buy a new battery, then it drops below the threshold within the warranty you will get another battery, so you could end up getting near 120,000 miles on the $6,000 investment if you do it right.

The warranty is 60k miles/5yrs, whichever comes first.

It is a rare 24 kWh LEAF owner who reaches the mile limit before the time limit.
5 years * 8000m/yr = 40k miles

Take a look at the posts of people who have taken advantage of the warranty and keep in mind that Nissan has planned the warranty to just last long enough, meaning the battery capacity drops to below 9 bars just after warranty lapse. A few "lucky" owners get replacement batteries, the remainder post threads like this one or dump the car as a failed, expensive exercise.

I bought my car used, so I have no idea what the previous owner had done, but I got it with 9 bars and it dropped to 8 in December, quite literraly 3 months before the the warranty was up. I was willing to risk it because i got a good enough deak tgat even if i had to replace the batter at my expense, it would have been fine. But i lucked out and got a free replacement. I monitor my batterys health with Leafspy and when the battery was first installed, the SOH went up about .5% and it stabilized and hasn't moved in either direction since then, although I will admit that I don't understand how the SOH can be about 102%, I would have thought 100% would be the max.

And there are people who only drive 8,000 miles a year? I do a minimum of about 18,000 miles a year, so I wonder what difference that is going to make long term on the battery. Yes, I really drive my leaf at lease 1,500 per month.

cwerdna
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:53 pm

cmwade77 wrote:And there are people who only drive 8,000 miles a year?

My mother's 07 Altima Hybrid (bought as a leftover 07 around Feb 2008) has under 50K miles on it (maybe not even 45K, will need to check later). If it had 50K, that's only 5K miles/year.

My 06 Prius has barely moved since a '13 Leaf became my primary car end of July 2013. It does WAY less than 8K miles/year now. If my records are right, it has moved under 8K miles since end of July 2013.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

cmwade77
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:57 pm

Crazy, even our CMAX Energy, which is primarily just my wife's car now does around 10,000 miles a year and we are shocked thst it gets driven so little. This is why I can never do a lease, we drive too much for them to be viable.

Again, I am not sure if putting that kind if mileage on the Leaf is easier on the battery or harder on it, time will tell I suppose.

Evoforce
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:27 pm

Just remember, if your car is out of warranty, a replacement traction battery comes with only a 12 month/12,000 mile warranty.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:45 pm

And there are people who only drive 8,000 miles a year? I do a minimum of about 18,000 miles a year, so I wonder what difference that is going to make long term on the battery. Yes, I really drive my leaf at lease 1,500 per month.



My last year working I think I drove 8k miles. Since I retired I average about 2k per year. My 2013 SV has less than 19k miles on her.
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2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf revival

Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:16 am

cmwade77 wrote:I bought my car used, so I have no idea what the previous owner had done, but I got it with 9 bars and it dropped to 8 in December, quite literraly 3 months before the the warranty was up.

Meaning you ran up against the time limit, not the miles limit.
As I said, typical.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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cmwade77
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Re: Leaf revival

Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:40 am

SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote:I bought my car used, so I have no idea what the previous owner had done, but I got it with 9 bars and it dropped to 8 in December, quite literraly 3 months before the the warranty was up.

Meaning you ran up against the time limit, not the miles limit.
As I said, typical.

Actually, I was at about 55,000 miles as well, so both were approaching fast.

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf revival

Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:51 am

cmwade77 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote:I bought my car used, so I have no idea what the previous owner had done, but I got it with 9 bars and it dropped to 8 in December, quite literraly 3 months before the the warranty was up.

Meaning you ran up against the time limit, not the miles limit.
As I said, typical.

Actually, I was at about 55,000 miles as well, so both were approaching fast.

Ok, but look at thef posts that talk about battery warranty replacement. Time is overwhelmingly the common theme. Why do you think all these threads exist asking how to accelerate degradation ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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GerryAZ
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Re: Leaf revival

Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 am

Evoforce wrote:Just remember, if your car is out of warranty, a replacement traction battery comes with only a 12 month/12,000 mile warranty.


According to the information I have read from Nissan, purchasing a new traction battery gets you a new warranty (8 years, 100,000 miles for defects and 5 years, 60,000 miles for capacity).
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SageBrush
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Re: Leaf revival

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:05 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Evoforce wrote:Just remember, if your car is out of warranty, a replacement traction battery comes with only a 12 month/12,000 mile warranty.


According to the information I have read from Nissan, purchasing a new traction battery gets you a new warranty (8 years, 100,000 miles for defects and 5 years, 60,000 miles for capacity).

I would very much like to see that warranty. It sure would make the $6k battery cost more palatable.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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