GRA said:
dhanson865 said:
H2 + battery + electric motor = hybrid. You still have to pump a liquid or gas into a tank just like gasoline + electric for a Plug in Prius. It doesn't matter what the fluid is if you have to add it for power it isn't a pure BEV.
Hybrids are also Electric Vehicles, hence the acronym, HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle); in this case, AFAIK all current FCEVs are FCHEVs (sometimes shortened to FCHV), as they all include a small battery for acceleration and regen storage. Pure FCEVs have also been built and operated, but at least for now fuel cell technology doesn't provide the rapid power ramp rate needed for fast acceleration. The determining factor of an Electric Vehicle is that it's propelled (wholly or partly) by electric motor(s) (or is a MagLev), not where or how the electricity that powers that motor is produced or stored. The letters (B/P/H/PH/FC etc.) that precede 'EV' just tell you what
kind of EV it is. To quote the wiki:
An electric vehicle (EV), also referred to as an electric drive vehicle, uses one or more electric motors or traction motors for propulsion. An electric vehicle may be powered through a collector system by electricity from off-vehicle sources, or may be self-contained with a battery or generator to convert fuel to electricity.[1] EVs include road and rail vehicles, surface and underwater vessels, electric aircraft and electric spacecraft.
Waste of time to quote that definition. I sure know it and I'm sure others do also.
I can list 40 different acronyms for vehicles many of which are overlapping duplicates.
PHEV
PEV
BEV
and so on. All that matters to people is what the fueling options are not what the final motor is or what acronym you prefer.
Gasoline/Petrol Hybrid with no J1772 is what an average American would know as a "hybrid"
Add the J1772 and now it's a "Plug in Hybrid"
Delete the gasoline and use any other fuel and its an "alternate fuel vehicle" but that doesn't help anybody because they use that label for BEVs as well as for normal internal combustion based vehicles that can use something other than gasoline.
Calling anything with an electric motor in it an EV without clearing marking it as electric only or a hybrid that uses some other fuel is just wasting peoples time.
You'd be just as accurate to be calling it a 4 wheeled passenger vehicle.
OMG that Marai is a 4 wheeled passenger vehicle and so is that Nissan Leaf. Nothing different about that.
The point is AndyH thinks saying a fuel cell hybrid is just an EV will somehow affect the adoption rate. What does the label have to do at all with how quickly it'll see adoption?
