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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:52 pm

Inner shows the state of charge of the battery, it has nothing to do with overall battery capacity. So, as you drive the LEAF, the inner bars will drop as the battery charge state drops. In LEAFSPY, this corresponds to the SOC metric

The outer bars represent the total capacity, or health, of the battery pack. There are 12 bars in total. The first bar will drop when the SOH, reported by LeafSpy, is around 85%. Each bar drop thereafter occurs when the SOH drops another 7.5%
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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:20 am

jadrake wrote:I should have photographed the dash, and forgot. Damn.

From memory, I think it was down 3 bars. Sounds like a lemon, eh?


Not a lemon, just more used. It is not a new car. It is used. In the Pacific coast climate, a 2014 will lose about 2% of capacity a year/19000km with ideal care. Most cars don't get ideal care, of course. So the best case for a 2014 was about 8% loss, or 92% true SOH. More common might be 88% or 90%. Instead, this one is at about 86%, or about 14% loss. The car is less valuable. Think of the battery as being at least a year or two years older than 2014, maybe a bit more. If priced right and you like the rest of the car, I'd suggest buying it. Assuming it has not yet lost a capacity bar, the dealership needs to drop the price for you to be interested. If it has lost a capacity bar, subtract more. This picture shows a three bar loser. I very much doubt if there are three missing capacity bars on this car.

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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:35 am

cwerdna wrote:97 km means NOTHING.


The range estimate varies based on how the car was last driven. Drive up a steep grade, you might have 10km of range or less with a half full a new battery. It would be slightly amusing to charge the car to full at the summit, and see if the car would show 20km range with a full battery. I'd suggest against trying that, regenerative braking prevents brake overheating and wear on a steep descent. Range on a full charge is only slightly meaningful if you drive the car the same everyday. There will be variation with seasons...

cwerdna wrote:From Leaf Spy, if it's not down 1 capacity bar, it's getting close to losing 1, given the SOH.


Yes. And if is down one bar, the true SOH (not the LeafSpy reading of the BMS's estimate=86%) is below 85%.
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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:48 am

Damn, this is awesome! Learning so much. Thanks guys.

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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:19 pm

I'm looking at the Premium package car tonight. It's got 2013 maps. Is there any way to get updated maps without having to go through Nissan? Am I right in assuming that updated maps go on an SD card in the left slot?

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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:31 pm

People generally don't bother updating the maps, as the Nav system isn't very good. I don't think the update is a separate SD card.
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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:37 pm

The salesman told me it was. It'll be interesting to call him on it.

So do most people rely on Google Maps or other phone-based nav systems?

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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:13 pm

Looks like the map update comes on a separate card and is coded to your car. Also looks like they'r'e kinda useless. I won't bother.

https://nissan.navigation.com/product/Catalog/Catalog_Leaf_2013/Nissan-LEAF-2017-Map-Update/sku/ev_master_variation_17/en_US/NissanNA/USD

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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:19 pm

I'm not certain, but I think the second slot is used to save data from the Nav system. It may also be used to copy data from the update card to the system, where it gets written to the first card. I don't remember for sure.
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Re: Looking for a 2nd Hand Leaf

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:32 pm

That sounds about right, from the info I've gleaned.

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