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SyrinxTemple

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What's everyone impression when it comes to the accuracy of KBB and LEAFs? Do you think they are using the same criteria for their estimates that they use for ICE cars?
 
I presume auction prices set the base price;
Dealer retail is $2-3k more
And private sale is in the middle
 
SyrinxTemple said:
What's everyone impression when it comes to the accuracy of KBB and LEAFs?
I didn't bother with them. To me, about all they're useful for when it comes to Leaf is to let a dealer justify their mark up over auction prices.

The used car dealer I bought from in July 2015 had a $1K mark up above his cost. He'd get them from Manheim (http://press.manheim.com/2010-07-27-Manheim-partners-with-nissan-motor-acceptance-corp-And-infiniti-financial-services-to-create-a-better-faster-way-to-turn-off-lease-inventory-into-sales) auctions. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=509373#p509373 has pointers to my buying saga.

Nissan franchise dealers have big markups.
 
IssacZachary said:
According to KBB my car is worth more than what I paid for it one year ago! :shock:
I guess you could try to cross reference with Craigslist and other ads in your area...

Sometime I hear on the net "Edmunds/KBB says ____". Response: "Edmunds/KBB isn't buying your car" or "sell to Edmunds/KBB then".
 
Thanks everyone. The reason I ask is someone local is quoting me KBB price on a 2011 (SL with QC and regen braking) that only has 6 bars/40 mile range left. He says that it's in great shape otherwise and I believe him, but I feel as though KBB can't take remaining battery life into consideration, and therefore their numbers aren't applicable since there's a $5500 bill coming up for that car.
 
SyrinxTemple said:
Thanks everyone. The reason I ask is someone local is quoting me KBB price on a 2011 (SL with QC and regen braking) that only has 6 bars/40 mile range left. He says that it's in great shape otherwise and I believe him, but I feel as though KBB can't take remaining battery life into consideration, and therefore their numbers aren't applicable since there's a $5500 bill coming up for that car.

You are correct. The KBB price would only apply if the car had 11 or more capacity bars left. A rough comparison would be a mint-looking ICE with low compression in the engine.
 
SyrinxTemple said:
Thanks everyone. The reason I ask is someone local is quoting me KBB price on a 2011 (SL with QC and regen braking) that only has 6 bars/40 mile range left. He says that it's in great shape otherwise and I believe him, but I feel as though KBB can't take remaining battery life into consideration, and therefore their numbers aren't applicable since there's a $5500 bill coming up for that car.
As I posted elsewhere, a year ago, this guy in a remote (to me) part of CA couldn't sell his '11 that was down to 8 bars (pretty sure of this) for $4500:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19967&p=454921&hilit=%244500#p454921
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8802&p=475234&hilit=salvation#p475234

EPA range rating on '11 and '12 Leaf was 73 miles on a new battery.
 
SyrinxTemple said:
Thanks everyone. The reason I ask is someone local is quoting me KBB price on a 2011 (SL with QC and regen braking) that only has 6 bars/40 mile range left. He says that it's in great shape otherwise and I believe him, but I feel as though KBB can't take remaining battery life into consideration, and therefore their numbers aren't applicable since there's a $5500 bill coming up for that car.
Not sure what you mean by "regen breaking" but with only 6 bars I'd say it would basically have NONE. My '12 with 9 bars hardly has any regen, even at a lower SOC I'm lucky to get 3 bubbles, compared to my 11 bar '13 , the '12 hardly feels like it has regen, a 6 bar car will have much less.
If your really interested I'd probably try and figure out how much a new battery would go for(I'd guess $5-6k??) in which case his 6 bar '11 probably wouldn't be worth much more than a couple thousand, IMO it's basically scrap price.
 
cwerdna said:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=17168 has replacement pack price.
After reading back 10 pages in that thread it looks like my guess of $5-6k was spot on, about $5500 ($6500 and they give you $1k for your old battery). At that price an '11 no matter how clean isn't worth much more than $2-3k(IMO anyway). Personally, I'd much rather pay $8-10k for a 12 bar '13+ but thats just me :) lots of improvements after '12.
 
jjeff said:
Not sure what you mean by "regen breaking" but with only 6 bars I'd say it would basically have NONE.

Sorry, I was thinking that the B driving mode incorporated regenerative braking, and I didn't think B mode was an option in 2011. I take it I have all of my terms mixed up?
 
Several years ago when I tried to buy one of the last RAV4EV' the used car manager refused to tale my Leaf SL. The KBB was far out of actual prices. He said that KBB does not buy cars.

He said the Leaf simply would not sell and it would end up at auction.
 
SyrinxTemple said:
jjeff said:
Not sure what you mean by "regen breaking" but with only 6 bars I'd say it would basically have NONE.

Sorry, I was thinking that the B driving mode incorporated regenerative braking, and I didn't think B mode was an option in 2011. I take it I have all of my terms mixed up?
B-mode is a new feature that began on model year 2013 SV and SL:
http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2013-nissan-leaf-press-kit (search for mode)
http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2013-nissan-leaf-product-highlights/
 
Yes the '11/'12 year models only had the ECO setting, similar to post '12 S models. ECO still gives you more aggressive regen when lifting your foot off the accelerator but not as strong as a Leaf with the B mode. Note, with a non B mode Leaf you can still get stronger regen, you just need to lightly put your foot on the brake pedal, don't push too hard or friction brakes will kick in.
The thing with a degraded battery is it won't have the ability to accept regen very much, you may be lucky to get more than a couple bubbles compared to a better battery, very unfortunate as you probably would really like the regen on a degraded battery with limited range. Expect to replace your brake pads more often on a Leaf with a degraded battery.
 
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