wtdedula
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EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:02 am

Hi All;
Can you recommend a good home level 2 charging station brand and model ?

There are so many - Siemens, Chargepoint, AeroVironment , etc ...

Is there any better one ?
Any to stay away from ?
Are there any particularly prone to problems/failures
Any that have proven reliability or features worth considering?
What brand do most of you buy ? Are you happy with it ?

Tim

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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:13 am

One to definitely stay away from are the original Blink units. They were built with J1772 handles that are known to melt at high amperage rates. A few had their handles replaced, but many simply had their current turned down. Some unmodified units do make it back onto the market, and we often find out when someone mentions a melting J1772 handle...

Blink does sell a different model now called the "Blink HQ" which is little more than rebranded model also sold under other brand names, particularly Bosch.

I personally have a Clipper Creek unit and it's been great, and many other Leaf owners have them as well. They're basic but rugged units.

Some folks swear by the JuiceBox models but I don't have any personal experience with those. Another one that seems to be popular is the GE DuraStation unit. Note that GE used to sell a "WattStation" unit and that has been known to not work properly with the Leaf; the DuraStation is the current model and is simply a plain white box with a cord running out of it:

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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:50 am

wtdedula wrote:Hi All;
Can you recommend a good home level 2 charging station brand and model ?

There are so many - Siemens, Chargepoint, AeroVironment , etc ...

Is there any better one ?
Any to stay away from ?
Are there any particularly prone to problems/failures
Any that have proven reliability or features worth considering?
What brand do most of you buy ? Are you happy with it ?

Tim

You need to let us know more what you want.
Wall mount or ability to charge on the go.
Do you want features like WiFi, ability to limit charging current, maybe delayed charging by the EVSE?
How about cord length, 14' OK or would need it longer, most stop at 25' but I believe you can get longer.
Do you want a plug or hardwired version? I like plug for flexibility but others might like it hard wired.
Do you want a display or is a simple power/charge button ok?
How about amperage? the max a Leaf can use is 27.5a(30a EVSE on a 40a circuit) but if wanting to futureproof maybe you'd want 40a or more.

I have the GE mentioned above and it's a decent very plain EVSE but works fine. At $399 it's a decent deal but lately it's been listed for >$500 which IMO is too much for what you get.
I have a Juicebox and it's quite nice, lots of features for a decent price.
I also have a couple Chinese built units which are very flexible and have proven to work quite well, they are portable 120v/240v units. My latest, a Zencar model goes up to 30a and has lots of features, comes in ~$400 with shipping directly from China.
Clipper Creek is a popular model around hear, not flexible at all and priced on the higher end, but quality built for sure.

IMO I haven't really seen any bad EVSEs, other than the ones mentioned above, it's more about the features you want and how much you want to spend. Even my $299 Ebusbar is working quite well, like most in it's price range it's only 16a but does both 120v and 240v and is really portable.
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Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:02 am

I've heard nothing but good things about Clipper Creek. You would not go wrong with one of those units. It's almost always one of the first recommendations. Available in many sizes and plug (or no plug) configurations.

The ChargePoint units look interesting too, with their networking/app integration.
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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:00 am

Hello All;
In response to jjeff;
Here are some of the questions he asked ...

Wall mount or ability to charge on the go.
Wall mount but it would also be useful to get recommendations for units that can charge on the go.
Do you want features like WiFi, ability to limit charging current, maybe delayed charging by the EVSE?
Ability to limit charging current and Wifi would be nice but not a strict requirement.
How about cord length, 14' OK or would need it longer, most stop at 25' but I believe you can get longer.
25'
Do you want a plug or hardwired version? I like plug for flexibility but others might like it hard wired.
Definitely Plug. NOT Hardwired.
Do you want a display or is a simple power/charge button ok?
Either one is fineHow about amperage? the max a Leaf can use is 27.5a(30a EVSE on a 40a circuit) but if wanting to futureproof maybe you'd want 40a or more.
I am having a 40 Amp circuit installed.

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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:33 am

Hello All;
I have another related question.

My first quote to have an EVSE installed in garage came back at $2800 which is way more than I'd like to spend. I have a detached garage so the buried cable increased the cost.

So I've got a question. How feasible is it to have a 240 Volt, 40 Amp receptacle and an EVSE installed on the outside of my house? This should significantly reduce my cost. Would such an installation be protected from the elements (Rain/Snow)?

And another question ... I have a 240 volt receptacle installed for my stove. So what if I get one of those portable EVSE's (Can anyone recommend a good brand) and connect to it and run my cable out my kitchen window to the car ?

Tim

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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:59 pm

wtdedula wrote:Hello All;
In response to jjeff;
Here are some of the questions he asked ...

Wall mount or ability to charge on the go.
Wall mount but it would also be useful to get recommendations for units that can charge on the go.
Do you want features like WiFi, ability to limit charging current, maybe delayed charging by the EVSE?
Ability to limit charging current and Wifi would be nice but not a strict requirement.
How about cord length, 14' OK or would need it longer, most stop at 25' but I believe you can get longer.
25'
Do you want a plug or hardwired version? I like plug for flexibility but others might like it hard wired.
Definitely Plug. NOT Hardwired.
Do you want a display or is a simple power/charge button ok?
Either one is fineHow about amperage? the max a Leaf can use is 27.5a(30a EVSE on a 40a circuit) but if wanting to futureproof maybe you'd want 40a or more.
I am having a 40 Amp circuit installed.

1. Almost all portable units can also be mounted on the wall but wall mount units are really best mounted on the wall as they are generally very bulky. Something like a Juicebox, my Zencar or even a Clipper Creek are of the portable design but due the fact that you cannot limit the current and it's 240v only, I wouldn't suggest the CC for on the go charging.
2. WiFi really limits your choices, the better Juicebox has WiFi and I believe a few of the wall mount units but it's by far the exception to have Wifi.
2. When I said "limit current" I probably should have said easily. Several of the wall mount units have jumper's within the unit that can be set to limit the output current(GE and and the Seimens for sure) CC has no way to limit current and both the better Juicebox and the Zencar are meant to easily change current, the Juicebox does require WiFi and your cell phone though.
3. 25' is kind of the max and like WiFi will limit your choices but CC, Juicebox(24') and Zencar would work, the Seimens and GE only come in 20' and 18' max AFAIK.
4. Most wall units are meant to be hardwired but some can come with a plug and others like my GE I was easily able to add a range cord for very liittle cost.
5. 40a circuit would support a 30-32a EVSE, basically all the ones I've mentioned except the $299 portable units which are 16a max would work just fine.

I guess you didn't really say a price but of the ones I've talked about the approx prices would be:
CC-$625
Juicebox-$599/$549
Zencar-~$400

The official Nissan EVSE(30a wall mount no WiFi nor ability to limit current AFAIK) seems to be $636 on Amazon and now looking they also show a WiFi version for even less($629) but you'd have to add a plug. Bosch also sells a basic model with a 25' cable for $630 and you'd also need to add an input cable or plug.
Amazon also has a seller listing a model very similar to my Zencar for $419, it uses a RFID card to adjust output amperage to either 16a, 24a(for a 30a circuit) or 32a which is the max for a 40a circuit, it also comes with a 14-50 range type plug.
https://www.amazon.com/Maxgreen-Electri ... ev+charger
Here is a link to various EVSEs that Amazon sells, including most of the ones I've mentioned and more:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i ... tive%2C288
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Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:15 pm

wtdedula wrote:Hello All;
I have another related question.

My first quote to have an EVSE installed in garage came back at $2800 which is way more than I'd like to spend. I have a detached garage so the buried cable increased the cost.

So I've got a question. How feasible is it to have a 240 Volt, 40 Amp receptacle and an EVSE installed on the outside of my house? This should significantly reduce my cost. Would such an installation be protected from the elements (Rain/Snow)?

And another question ... I have a 240 volt receptacle installed for my stove. So what if I get one of those portable EVSE's (Can anyone recommend a good brand) and connect to it and run my cable out my kitchen window to the car ?

Tim

When you say $2800 was that just for wiring an outlet? For a 32a EVSE all you really need is a 40a circuit with a 14-50 or new range outlet. EVSEs don't need the neutral but the cost savings should be little and some inspectors may not like wiring a 14-50 outlet without a neutral.
You could have a 14-50 outlet wired to the outside of your house, along with an in-use weatherproof outlet cover, many EVSEs are able to be mounted outside, for sure portable ones. Personally, I'd try and find a way to have the EVSE somewhat covered but it's probably not necessary.
I would NOT suggest simply running a cable out your window, for one the cable is very thick, at the least I'd have the outlet mounted outside your house, hopefully, that should save you some serious cash vs direct burial cable to a detached garage.
https://www.amazon.com/GE-Industrial-So ... tlet+cover
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'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:12 pm

To the OP: does you garage not have any existing electrical panel? I would purchase a Zencar portable EVSE, set it to 24A, and put in a 30A dryer outlet if your panel/subpanel has room for that (2 pole breaker).
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Re: EVSE Home Charging Equipment recommendations ?

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:14 pm

wtdedula wrote:Hello All;
I have another related question.

My first quote to have an EVSE installed in garage came back at $2800 which is way more than I'd like to spend. I have a detached garage so the buried cable increased the cost.
...

Could you do the trenching yourself and lower that price? Perhaps hire some cheap labor to get it done?
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