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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:12 pm

All of those statements are true - in certain environments.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:20 pm

2011RedLeaf wrote:As I watch videos from Nissan I ran into this one which casts doubt on anything Nissan says.

"Let me try to explain..."
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:06 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
2011RedLeaf wrote:As I watch videos from Nissan I ran into this one which casts doubt on anything Nissan says.

"Let me try to explain..."


A lot of water has gone under the bridge since that video was made seven years ago. Instead of dwelling on the past, try to focus on the present and the solutions available today.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:56 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
2011RedLeaf wrote:As I watch videos from Nissan I ran into this one which casts doubt on anything Nissan says.

"Let me try to explain..."


A lot of water has gone under the bridge since that video was made seven years ago. Instead of dwelling on the past, try to focus on the present and the solutions available today.

Easy for me, I didn't spend $30k on a Gen1 LEAF that makes those promises look like a joke.
But why wouldn't a smart shopper remember than Nissan lied to and screwed generations of owners ?

My next car is a Tesla. I want a company that will stand behind its product. Anybody thinking about this LEAF2 better read the battery warranty carefully and expect Nissan to not give one inch more than the letter of the contract specifies. And expect the battery to not exceed the warranty limits.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:44 pm

2011RedLeaf wrote:As I watch videos from Nissan I ran into this one which casts doubt on anything Nissan says.


Wait and see what the new battery warranty is. Regardless of what Mr. Perrry was saying at the time, it was clear to anyone who cared to read the warranty that capacity reduction wasn't covered and therefore there was a significant risk to the early adopters. Exactly why I opted for leasing even though I had been leaning towards purchase prior to the rollout.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:52 pm

Nubo wrote:
2011RedLeaf wrote:As I watch videos from Nissan I ran into this one which casts doubt on anything Nissan says.


Wait and see what the new battery warranty is. Regardless of what Mr. Perrry was saying at the time, it was clear to anyone who cared to read the warranty that capacity reduction wasn't covered and therefore there was a significant risk to the early adopters.

And regardless of what any Nissan rep says in the future, the warranty limits likely set the date for battery replacement if not the junk yard.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:19 am

Just to clarify, the statement by OrientExpress is his usual wrong information, correct?

Tesla has not said anything about "Jan 2018 customer" deliveries, and there's no link to another forum with such a quote, correct?

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:36 am

SageBrush wrote:Easy for me, I didn't spend $30k on a Gen1 LEAF that makes those promises look like a joke.
But why wouldn't a smart shopper remember than Nissan lied to and screwed generations of owners ?



well, that means the smart shopper has very few choices but then again, "generations" of owners? Its a 7 year old car.... pretty short generation there...

Several dozen owners probably fits the bill a "bit" more accurately.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:14 am

SageBrush wrote:...My next car is a Tesla. I want a company that will stand behind its product...

Your two statements above contradict each other.

TSLA's notable achievement to date has been its continuing ability to attract more sucker money from investors, despite producing multi-billion dollar losses since its founding.

This is not a sustainable business plan.

With no path to future profitability in sight, defaults in TSLA's commitments, to both its customers and creditors, are very likely.

SageBrush wrote:...Anybody thinking about this LEAF2 better read the battery warranty carefully and expect Nissan to not give one inch more than the letter of the contract specifies. And expect the battery to not exceed the warranty limits...

Nissan has of course gone far beyond the original warranty it gave those of us who purchased Gen one LEAFs, both by issuing a capacity bar warranty, and subsidizing replacement costs for virtually all Gen one owners that did not lose dash bars fast enough to get free replacement packs, under that warranty.

Companies with long histories, and which also expect to have long futures, often accommodate customers in this way.

In the unlikely event that the Gen two LEAF has any serious flaw, either real or only perceived, Nissan would likely conduct a similar customer satisfaction campaign in the future.

Back on-topic.

Anybody else wondering if Nissan will continue its practice, unique among BEV manufacturers (?) of providing a battery capacity display?

Will the Gen two (using twelve bars on the dash, or otherwise) provide owners a visualization to fixate on, and focus and amplify their capacity degradation anxieties?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:59 am

TonyWilliams wrote:Just to clarify, the statement by OrientExpress is his usual wrong information, correct?

Tesla has not said anything about "Jan 2018 customer" deliveries, and there's no link to another forum with such a quote, correct?


My bet? Nissan will beat Tesla to market (I mean the real market) with a yet to be announced product. ;)
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