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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:47 am

BoulderLeaf wrote:I'm starting to get a little apprehensive about not hearing any recent news about LEAF 2.0. For a while, we were getting little hints and snippets about upcoming potential Gen 1 MY's and Gen 2.0. But now, after the exec shake up and news about battery sourcing, we aren't hearing anything.

They really should bring out a longer range car sooner rather than later. If there was a new LEAF with 180 miles of range I would be shopping for a new car. As things stand right now I can't really justify spending the money to upgrade to a 2015.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:50 pm

When every other major auto manufacturer that is CARB-ZEV regulated switches to hydrogen by 2018, Nissan has clearly stated that they are sticking with batteries.

Toyota
Honda
Hyundai
Daimler / Mercedes Benz
Ford
VW


It sounds like Nissan, and even GM, will stick with EV's

BMW has an H2 car, but I see no indication of getting out of the EV market

Naturally, not a single company that is NOT regulated to produce a ZEV will go to hydrogen:

Tesla
Mitsubishi
Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru)
Land Rover
Jaguar
Volvo
et al

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:58 am

TonyWilliams wrote:When every other major auto manufacturer that is CARB-ZEV regulated switches to hydrogen by 2018, ...
All of those companies have also gone electric. The market will decide the winner and we know who that is.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:52 pm

Of course, Andy is now long gone, along with a number of others... Who really knows where Nissan stands these days...

evnow wrote:That 186 miles comes from earlier articles quoting Andy Palmer where he says 300 kms is needed to compete with upcoming FCEV vehicles.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:07 pm

DanCar wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:When every other major auto manufacturer that is CARB-ZEV regulated switches to hydrogen by 2018, ...
All of those companies have also gone electric. The market will decide the winner and we know who that is.


Yes, they went electric, and now through 2018, they'll go with H2.

That will leave Tesla, Mitsubishi, Nissan, BMW, etc, to carry the EV torch.

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:05 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
DanCar wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:When every other major auto manufacturer that is CARB-ZEV regulated switches to hydrogen by 2018, ...
All of those companies have also gone electric. The market will decide the winner and we know who that is.


Yes, they went electric, and now through 2018, they'll go with H2.

That will leave Tesla, Mitsubishi, Nissan, BMW, etc, to carry the EV torch.

Of course, BMW and Toyota are involved in a joint fuel cell development effort last year, and IIRR BMW plans to have an FCV by no later than 2020. Nissan was also working on them, but I don't know what their current plans are.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:31 pm

GRA wrote:Of course, BMW and Toyota are involved in a joint fuel cell development effort last year, and IIRR BMW plans to have an FCV by no later than 2020. Nissan was also working on them, but I don't know what their current plans are.


http://green.autoblog.com/2014/11/30/ni ... -hydrogen/

Shiga, speaking in Singapore, elaborated on Nissan's interest in developing a production hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle, and, to put it bluntly, he said the company didn't have much interest, the Japan Times reports. Sure, Nissan reached an agreement with Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler and Ford early last year to work together to speed up fuel-cell-vehicle powertrain development. Like Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, the automakers appear to be following the axiom that hydrogen fuel-cell technology is the best-of-all-worlds option for advanced powertrain because of the combination of zero emissions and conventional-vehicle-like full-tank range. Still, the prohibitively high cost of building hydrogen refueling stations will prevent any substantial adoption anytime soon, Shiga says, hence Nissan's focus on battery-electric vehicles.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:34 pm

KJD wrote:They really should bring out a longer range car sooner rather than later. If there was a new LEAF with 180 miles of range I would be shopping for a new car. As things stand right now I can't really justify spending the money to upgrade to a 2015.

Somehow I feel if Model 3 was coming out earlier, Leaf 2 with longer range (and Infiniti LE as well) would have come out earlier.

I don't expect Nissan to say much about Leaf 2 - except a bit here and there - until 2016 at least.

If LG's claim of "200" mile battery is correct - and they are willing to sell it to any OEM, we should see long range EVs from a number of them. "200" miles will be the new "100" miles.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:38 pm

Pretty much all the major automakers have dabbled with hydrogen FCVs in some way or another, including Nissan. Some (Nissan included) have had working prototypes for years. When I went to Alt Car Expo in 2012 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120901161 ... icles.html), I test drove FCEVs from Honda (Clarity FCX), Mercedes (B-Class), Kia, Toyota (was a Highlander), and even Nissan (pretty sure it was an X-Trail). The Nissan one IIRC was on loan from Coca Cola. I don't recall if it was being leased to or just loaned for free to Coke. The ride along guy was from Nissan's Sacramento office. I recognized some of the interior bits from other Nissans I had, to which the Nissan guy confirmed.

The Honda and Mercedes in question were being actively leased to So Cal folks.

I've driven an Equinox FCV at Detroit Auto Show in Jan 09.

I've seen Nissan and others offer FCV test drives at Tokyo Motor Show a few years ago, at least from the info online.

I recall seeing http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... HvUeGftDqM inside http://www.petersen.org/. I found http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/ENVIRON ... PMENT/FCV/ w/a timeline.

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:37 pm

Yup. It's not hard to make a FCEV. Engineering wise. Making it with no platinum is the tricky part. No one has figured that out yet.

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