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I'm in NY. We got the Ioniq here finally about 6 months ago. You can buy it in most of the CARB states now I think. And we've had the Soul EV for a few years now. So I'm hopeful that the Niro will actually show up as promised this spring. But I too am skeptical, and I find it infuriating to read all this fawning coverage of the Kona and Niro from the green press (especially the "awards" that the Kona keeps winning) when the cars don't even exist in the US yet....
 
Reasons I'd possibly get a leaf plus over a Kona if the leaf is a couple grand less:

QC will be standard on the S plus according to the Nissan website (no longer a paid option as implied by Kieren973)

Leaf is larger than Kona with more storage and front seat head room (I'm all torso)

CHAdeMO is better supported than CCS where I live and free at the dealership by my office

Don't really care about 225 vs 255 miles of range we'll take the PHEV if we go out of town and "refill" 300 miles of range in 2 minutes instead of an hour

I sat in 2019 versions of both cars at the car show last weekend and liked the look and feel of the leaf better.

Kona will not be available in my state

I've actually had a great experience with my Leaf

We'll see how the actual specs and pricing turn out but the S plus I'd definitely on my short list for now when the time comes to get a new vehicle.
 
Kieran973 said:
I'm in NY. We got the Ioniq here finally about 6 months ago. You can buy it in most of the CARB states now I think.
Really? For the pure electric version?

I tried going to https://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your-hyundai/index.aspx?vehicle=ioniq-electric&year=2019&trim=ioniq-electric-2019-en-US-electric and it kept putting me in 95101 zip code but saying it couldn't locate a car when I tried to search inventory. I put in my real zip code and the result's the same.

Oddly, I put in 10001 (a NYC zip), and it does come up with hits.

The sales still seem puny. https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ says they sold/leased 24 in the US in December 2018.
 
cwerdna said:
Really? For the pure electric version?

Yeah, the Ioniq BEV. It's for sale in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and possibly even more CARB states.

On cars.com, if you search a 500 mile radius from NYC, there are 54 for sale:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=36301306&mkId=20064&page=1&perPage=50&rd=500&searchSource=SORT&showMore=true&sort=distance-nearest&stkTypId=28880&zc=10003

I test drove one of these in the Boston area back in September - at Mirak Hyundai in Arlington, MA. They still have quite a few on the lot. You're right that the sales are puny, but I'm not sure why. Maybe it's lack of dealer enthusiasm/effort. Maybe it's too little/too late for EV customers - maybe people would have bought the Ioniq two years ago but now they're holding out for a 200+ mile EV. I'm not really sure. But at some of the Maryland dealerships, some of the base model Ioniqs are listed at 25-26K....
 
OrientExpress said:
Here is some more concise information on the trim of the 62kWh LEAF Plus.

Pro Pilot Assist and fast charging is standard on all the Plus models.

That is the second time I've seen that pro pilot will be standard in an article but I can't find it anywhere in the Nissan documents or webpage only that it is "available".

If you get all that for $35k or so (potentially) I have no idea how the dealer near me hopes to sell the 2018 fully loaded SV they still have on the lot with a $37k sticker price for anything more than $30k.
 
Kieran973 said:
cwerdna said:
Really? For the pure electric version?

Yeah, the Ioniq BEV. It's for sale in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and possibly even more CARB states.

On cars.com, if you search a 500 mile radius from NYC, there are 54 for sale:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=36301306&mkId=20064&page=1&perPage=50&rd=500&searchSource=SORT&showMore=true&sort=distance-nearest&stkTypId=28880&zc=10003

I test drove one of these in the Boston area back in September - at Mirak Hyundai in Arlington, MA. They still have quite a few on the lot. You're right that the sales are puny, but I'm not sure why. Maybe it's lack of dealer enthusiasm/effort. Maybe it's too little/too late for EV customers - maybe people would have bought the Ioniq two years ago but now they're holding out for a 200+ mile EV. I'm not really sure. But at some of the Maryland dealerships, some of the base model Ioniqs are listed at 25-26K....
Part of the issue with the Ionic (aside from the abysmal rear visibility for all versions - I sat in the HEV and it was like looking down a tunnel with a small opening) is that I've never seen a single ad for it. None, zip, nada, here in the Bay Area. Toyota advertised the Mirai far more heavily. Kia did advertise the Soul EV briefly when it was introduced, and I expect the new version and the Niro to get some ads, but Ionic advertising might as well be a black hole. It's too late now for the current Ionic BEV, as its range is no longer up to snuff, with 200+ is the base going forward, until 250+ and then 300+ become the norm.

I'm kind of confused why people are comparing the Kona to the LEAF, as the latter's a much bigger car. LEAF/Niro seems a much better comparison (given the latter's TMS, greater range and CCS vice CHAdeMO, there's no question which one I'd opt for).
 
Every review I've seen of the Hyundai/Kia BEVs (maybe excepting the Soul EV) has talking about the numb-feeling power steering and average handling. While these aren't noted high points for the Leaf either, I think that most people who drive both will prefer the handling of the Leaf. This may save Nissan from being overtaken by Hyundai, at least in the hatchback niche.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Every review I've seen of the Hyundai/Kia BEVs (maybe excepting the Soul EV) has talking about the numb-feeling power steering and average handling. While these aren't noted high points for the Leaf either, I think that most people who drive both will prefer the handling of the Leaf. This may save Nissan from being overtaken by Hyundai, at least in the hatchback niche.
I wouldn't be a fan of the steering either, although ISTR reading Sport mode apparently improves things a fair amount (in the Niro, don't remember about the Kona), but the TMS would be the overriding factor for me, especially if Nissan continues to provide a capacity warranty based on undefined values. Give me a Niro with the Bolt's steering feel and handling and I'd be very happy. Once I've driven them all I can report back on which has the best feel, handling etc.
 
Hi everyone,

did any kind of insider info already leak about when exactly the 60kwh Leaf "e Plus" will arrive for sale at U.S. dealerships? :)
 
Newbie said:
Hi everyone,

did any kind of insider info already leak about when exactly the 60kwh Leaf "e Plus" will arrive for sale at U.S. dealerships? :)

no latter than March is the inference so in time for April 1st... :cool:
 
All Nissan has said for the US is Spring 2019 which implies anytime between March 20 and June 21st.

I doubt it'd be any earlier than tax credit on GM vehicles being cut in half, which is supposed to happen April 1st.
 
cwerdna said:
I doubt it'd be any earlier than tax credit on GM vehicles being cut in half, which is supposed to happen April 1st.
I think it is July 1st

GM reached 200k US sales in Q4 2018
 
SageBrush said:
cwerdna said:
I doubt it'd be any earlier than tax credit on GM vehicles being cut in half, which is supposed to happen April 1st.
I think it is July 1st

GM reached 200k US sales in Q4 2018
https://insideevs.com/gm-federal-tax-credit-limit-200000-evs/ is claiming it'll be April 1st for GM.

Judging by the diagram at https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers-200000-federal-tax-credit-limit/ (from phaseout section at bottom of https://web.archive.org/web/20170303004019/https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml), April 1st sounds right.

Unless I'm having a brain fart, for it to be July 1st for GM, they'd needed to hit 200K in Q1 2019.
 
cwerdna said:
SageBrush said:
cwerdna said:
I doubt it'd be any earlier than tax credit on GM vehicles being cut in half, which is supposed to happen April 1st.
I think it is July 1st

GM reached 200k US sales in Q4 2018
https://insideevs.com/gm-federal-tax-credit-limit-200000-evs/ is claiming it'll be April 1st for GM.

Judging by the diagram at https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers-200000-federal-tax-credit-limit/ (from phaseout section at bottom of https://web.archive.org/web/20170303004019/https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml), April 1st sounds right.

Unless I'm having a brain fart, for it to be July 1st for GM, they'd needed to hit 200K in Q1 2019.
I just checked -- you are right.
 
I hope that Nissan can truly build enough to satisfy demand. If they do, and can keep the prices reasonable, the e-Plus might just be enough to keep the Leaf's global sales lead over the Model 3. At least for a little while longer.
 
Nissan seems to be very happy with their conservative sales rate as they prepare to EOL the current LEAFs based on the B platform. Right now they are very quietly preparing their dedicated BEV platform that will support both Nissan and Infiniti vehicles. Another possible reason for their conservative sales is that they may be supply constrained on the current generation of traction batteries that they are receiving from AESC as it transitions to its new ownership. I suspect that their dedicated BEV platform will have a different architecture than they currently use.

Since they do not compete with Tesla and still own the under $40K market, I understand their strategy.
 
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