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Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:24 pm
by cmwade77
I have found the simplest solution if an ICE vehicle is parked in an EV charging space. If the cord will reach, I park behind them and charge my car. If they come out while I am still charging, I let them know that I will move once my car is done charging (especially at paid charging stations). When they complain, I tell them to go talk to security at the business and security usually tells them they are lucky they weren't towed. Sounds mean, but it drives home the point, I don't go parking my electric vehicle in front a gas pump for hours on end and that is essentially what they are doing.

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:55 pm
by RonDawg
The City of LA, like some other cities in the SoCal area, has started to install GreenLots EVSEs in various areas along the curb. The problem is that unlike with the other cities, LA does NOT put up signage prohibiting ICEVs from parking there. I ran into that problem a few days ago while in the West LA area; many of these curbside charging stations were ICE’d.

The City of LA also places these high up on a utility pole (my guess is to deter vandalism/copper theft) so I don’t blame ICEV drivers for not noticing them; in fact while I was plugged into a station that was not ICEd, a couple of people came up to me and remarked how they never noticed the EVSE before. One of them asked how I was able to reach the cord (the EVSE is about 8 feet off the ground) and I showed her that you scanned the QR code on a sign much lower down on the pole, and the cord extends down from the EVSE (all GreenLots EVSEs work this way).

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:52 pm
by Reddy
RonDawg wrote:The City of LA, like some other cities in the SoCal area, has started to install GreenLots EVSEs in various areas along the curb. The problem is that unlike with the other cities, LA does NOT put up signage prohibiting ICEVs from parking there. I ran into that problem a few days ago while in the West LA area; many of these curbside charging stations were ICE’d.

The City of LA also places these high up on a utility pole (my guess is to deter vandalism/copper theft) so I don’t blame ICEV drivers for not noticing them; in fact while I was plugged into a station that was not ICEd, a couple of people came up to me and remarked how they never noticed the EVSE before. One of them asked how I was able to reach the cord (the EVSE is about 8 feet off the ground) and I showed her that you scanned the QR code on a sign much lower down on the pole, and the cord extends down from the EVSE (all GreenLots EVSEs work this way).
Wow, thanks for the description. I was not aware of these (not that I will ever get to LA in my 2011 Leaf ;)

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:10 pm
by RonDawg
Reddy wrote:Wow, thanks for the description. I was not aware of these (not that I will ever get to LA in my 2011 Leaf ;)


No, but if you come down here and rent a car, you could end up with a PHEV.

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:01 am
by UBUYGAS
Reddy wrote:
RonDawg wrote:The City of LA, like some other cities in the SoCal area, has started to install GreenLots EVSEs in various areas along the curb. The problem is that unlike with the other cities, LA does NOT put up signage prohibiting ICEVs from parking there. I ran into that problem a few days ago while in the West LA area; many of these curbside charging stations were ICE’d.

The City of LA also places these high up on a utility pole (my guess is to deter vandalism/copper theft) so I don’t blame ICEV drivers for not noticing them; in fact while I was plugged into a station that was not ICEd, a couple of people came up to me and remarked how they never noticed the EVSE before. One of them asked how I was able to reach the cord (the EVSE is about 8 feet off the ground) and I showed her that you scanned the QR code on a sign much lower down on the pole, and the cord extends down from the EVSE (all GreenLots EVSEs work this way).
Wow, thanks for the description. I was not aware of these (not that I will ever get to LA in my 2011 Leaf ;)


Reddy ,

You may see them soon since Shell Oil has bought out GreenLots.

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:40 am
by UBUYGAS
cmwade77 wrote:I have found the simplest solution if an ICE vehicle is parked in an EV charging space. If the cord will reach, I park behind them and charge my car. If they come out while I am still charging, I let them know that I will move once my car is done charging (especially at paid charging stations). When they complain, I tell them to go talk to security at the business and security usually tells them they are lucky they weren't towed. Sounds mean, but it drives home the point, I don't go parking my electric vehicle in front a gas pump for hours on end and that is essentially what they are doing.


I like your solution very much. I’ve done the same. And if they don’t come back I leave a WindShieldNote from http://EVparkingTickets.com

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:13 am
by mjblazin
The smartest charging stations in TX are at the far end of the parking lot. I wish everyone would do it that way. Blink has made its stations practically useless by almost always putting them near the front door. Not very bright, especially if you want to make money. EVGo does theirs in far end of drug store lots and almost never has ICE issues.

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:26 am
by RonDawg
mjblazin wrote:The smartest charging stations in TX are at the far end of the parking lot. I wish everyone would do it that way. Blink has made its stations practically useless by almost always putting them near the front door. Not very bright, especially if you want to make money. EVGo does theirs in far end of drug store lots and almost never has ICE issues.


Maybe in your area, but in mine evGO’s units aren’t at the far end of the lot.

While I would love for the charging networks to do what Tesla does and put them in the least-used part of a lot, it also adds to the installation costs.

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:19 pm
by DarthPuppy
Less premium placement within parking lots would help quite a bit in some places. A couple places I've been, parking was so constrained it wouldn't matter where the spot was, it will be ICEd regularly. In retroactive installations, the location within the lot can impact the cost. But the reduced headaches of customers fighting each other and complaining to management/security etc. is likely well worth that additional investment. Though bringing up these headaches is probably not a good part of the sales pitch to get reluctant managers to sign up for installation.

I'd really like to see more balance in the installations. One nearby mall has 1 Level 2, 1 Combo DCFC, and 12 Tesla. Another mall has a pair of Combo DCFC, but no Level 2 or Tesla.

Good to know about how Greenlot stations work. I had no idea they existed. No I have something new to research and look for. Thanks

Re: Proper EV Etiquette - Charging/Parking - Novice EV Owners

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:50 pm
by LeftieBiker
It would be nice is EVGo combo stations all had L-2, even if not for free. I looked longingly at one of their combo setups at the supermarket at which I most often shop, for almost two years, but couldn't use it until I got my 2018.