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Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:16 pm
by davewill
AndyH wrote:The earlier report in this thread that about 1/4 of Volts are unsold, VS. the 2 or 3 Leaf orphans suggests a different sales picture.
Not when there are so few made...25% of Volts just isn't that many cars, and if the unsold inventory rises, all that will happen is that Chevy dealers will stop marking them up so much... unless some safety related defect occurs, all of the Volts are going to be sold, don't doubt it.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:25 pm
by evnow
davewill wrote:Not when there are so few made...25% of Volts just isn't that many cars, and if the unsold inventory rises, all that will happen is that Chevy dealers will stop marking them up so much... unless some safety related defect occurs, all of the Volts are going to be sold, don't doubt it.

I'd like to believe so too.

http://www.plugincars.com/february-elec ... 06875.html

Just one data point, still.

Tom Moloughney wrote:I can tell you that there are definitely volts on NJ dealer lots that are available for sale at MSRP. Last month I was shopping for an equinox for my wife. She frequently drives to see her parents in Vermont which is 220 miles each way and not having four wheel drive just wasn't working, especially this crazy winter. Of the three Chevy dealerships I stopped at all of them said I could have a volt within two to three weeks as they were getting some in that were not pre-ordered. One dealer, Shumacher Chevrolet had one sitting in the lot waiting to be bought at MSRP. I even convinced them to agree to bring it to my restaurant and put it on display for an EV event I had planned, but it snowed that day and I had to cancel. I passed by the dealer a couple weeks later and the volt was still there.

Anyone out there that wants a volt at MSRP just call some dealers in NJ, they have them and no dealer that I went to was marking them up at all.


But there are people who know how to sell. They post on gm-volt and it gets sold quickly ...

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?7353

I've no doubt that there are Volt's sitting in some dealer lots waiting to be bought. There are also pending Volt orders to be fulfilled by GM ....

Essentially GM is using the old inefficient way of offering a Volt to its potential buyer. So it takes more time.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:38 pm
by TRONZ
I think the real issue is the Volt still relies on gasoline... and is very expensive. 40 EV Volt miles is really 26ish and then your burning $4.30 gas every 37 miles after that. "Range Anxiety never happened and instead become "Gas Station Anxiety". People are looking for a clean break from the oil game and the Volt ain't it!

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:42 pm
by evnow
TRONZ wrote:I think the real issue is the Volt still relies on gasoline... and is very expensive.

The first one (obviously) doesn't affect sales. A Million gas cars get sold every month. Second one is a big problem in the long term - but not the first year. Ofcourse, Volt costs about the same to lease as a Leaf ...

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:30 pm
by TRONZ
evnow wrote:
TRONZ wrote:I think the real issue is the Volt still relies on gasoline... and is very expensive.

The first one (obviously) doesn't affect sales. A Million gas cars get sold every month. Second one is a big problem in the long term - but not the first year. Ofcourse, Volt costs about the same to lease as a Leaf ...


I guess what I meant to say was that people shopping for an electric car are likely turned off that it still uses gas. I seem to have my EV goggles on lately... not thinking like the mass populous.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:22 pm
by Azrich
If the public chargers ever get installed, more people with see them and realized that an EV is a viable option.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:33 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
Its funny that cold weather range issues are mentioned on the Leaf when the volt has less than half the range.

There are lots of volt owners who have burned less than 10 gallons of gas after as much as 3000 miles so it looks like even a 40 mile range seems to cover a significant need as well

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:37 am
by muus
Kinda surprising we still don't have the sales for the Leaf in Japan for the month of March. Can I suggest you put something other than "0" for the months where we know cars were sold but we still haven't got the numbers? (maybe "unknown") Right now to the average "Joe" total sales of the Leaf went from a high of 2,660 in February down to 298 in March.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:37 am
by SanDust
evnow wrote:Second one is a big problem in the long term - but not the first year. Ofcourse, Volt costs about the same to lease as a Leaf ...

I think that at the moment Nissan has a bigger problem with price of the Leaf than GM has with the price of the Volt. Both companies are probably losing money but Nissan, like any company importing from Japan, is getting absolutely hammered by the yen-dollar exchange rate. It has to be truly ugly for them, and you have to think that prices will have to go up for next round of reservations. The announced price of the Leaf in Canada -- $39,341 -- may illustrate what might happen in the next round of roll out states as Nissan uses a "required" cold weather package to mask a price increase necessitated by the strength of the yen.

At the same time GM is moving in the opposite direction. It's making standard equipment like the 30 Gig Infotainment Center and the Bose sound system optional. That's probably about $3000 of stuff which can either be translated into a price cut or a better margin or maybe some of both.

The bottom line is that until Nissan can make Leafs in NA these exchange rates will make the environment for selling Leafs here extremely challenging.

Re: Leaf Worldwide Monthly Sales Figures : US Mar 298, Volt 608

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:03 pm
by kmp647
Well then it's a challenge to sell em , and certainly a challenge to buy them depending on where you live in the USA