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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:28 pm

3K seems like a pretty slim margin to clean, market, sell, deliver a vehicle.
Good luck to CM... I think they may take a loss on it :|
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:29 am

Weatherman wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:No, I purchased 2244. Trade in was $21-$22k at Mossy Nissan, and CarMax gave me $23k.
And I see CarMax just posted 2244 for sale for $25,998.
smkettner wrote:3K seems like a pretty slim margin to clean, market, sell, deliver a vehicle.
Good luck to CM... I think they may take a loss on it :|
I think they will.

It seems some of these companies are relying on Kelly Blue Book for their valuations. The problem is that Kelly Blue Book does not seem to understand that there are Federal and state rebates on this car.

Anyway, it might be interesting to see what happens to it. Here is a link to Tony's old car at CarMax.

I will note that it still has 12 bars in the picture CarMax took of the dash.
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:31 am

smkettner wrote:3K seems like a pretty slim margin to clean, market, sell, deliver a vehicle.
Good luck to CM... I think they may take a loss on it :|



nope. that is more than enough. only a handful of cars have more profit and its usually because the previous owner caved into a near ridiculous trade in allowance on the used vehicle.

used car margins aim at $2500 and up depending on the vehicle but like i said. depends on how cheaply they can get the vehicle from the previous owner. on high end items like this, $3,000 is a pretty good margin. in fact, too good. it will not sell at that price.

the "real" money is getting a car in trade for $1000 and selling it for $6500. i have seen cars that were given a $1000 trade in allowance (Program ran for ANY trade in 1994 or newer) that could have easily been sold privately for $7-8,000 but the owner simply did not want to deal with the hassle or the risk and wanted their new car now and the dealer did a great job of convincing them their car had no value.

in Tony's case, guessing prep was minimal (typical prep cost for used vehicles from a good dealer runs a MINIMUM of $800 and frequently goes higher if tires are replaced which they almost always are to pass safety inspection which does jack the price but is a good thing. the dealer gets a much better price on tires than you could on your own) so the above example traded in for $1000, put $1000 into it, book it for $10,000 sell it for $9,000 on terms
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:39 am

wow... $26k for a used leaf... I remember paying 26.5k OTD for a new one... and trading in recently at 24k
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:44 am

IBELEAF wrote:wow... $26k for a used leaf... I remember paying 26.5k OTD for a new one... and trading in recently at 24k


You think $26K is high? Take a look at what a dealer is asking for my used LEAF...

http://www.hunterautogroup.com/2012-Nis ... d/11098012
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:44 am

IBELEAF wrote:wow... $26k for a used leaf... I remember paying 26.5k OTD for a new one... and trading in recently at 24k


I plan to buy a used leaf for $16,000. It will be my own Leaf once the lease is up in another year and a half. Only I will know exactly how well taken care of my Leaf was compared to others on the market.
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:21 am

Weatherman wrote:
IBELEAF wrote:wow... $26k for a used leaf... I remember paying 26.5k OTD for a new one... and trading in recently at 24k


You think $26K is high? Take a look at what a dealer is asking for my used LEAF...

http://www.hunterautogroup.com/2012-Nis ... d/11098012


that's not high, that's ridiculous, perhaps they are thinking it qualifies for another $7500 credit :)
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:26 am

The article below, and the several reported Volt production shut-downs, seems to confirm that the Volt is not selling in sufficient numbers to meet the current production capacity:

The Chevrolet Volt is leading the pack of plug-in electric vehicles and has kicked butt on Nissan Leaf sales numbers but the goal for 2012 is to make 35,000 to 40,000 Volts. Through July, General Motors has sold 10,666 Volts in the U.S., which should get the automaker to 19,000 units sold this year. In Europe, through June, GM sold 2,861 Ampera plug-in hybrids, aka the European version of the Volt. The company recently started selling Chevy Volts in the rapidly growing China market where only 18 were sold through June, according to LMC Automotive.

Add up those numbers and we see that about 25,000 to 30,000 Volts/Amperas could be sold worldwide this year. Wait a minute, though, what happened to hitting that 40,000-unit target? And why do we even know that number?

In late June, CEO Dan Akerson said that GM's initial target – building 60,000 Volts this year, with 15,000 going to exports – was being downsized to 35,000 to 40,000 units. By continuing to give sales predictions, even decreased ones, Akerson serves to reminds us that, last year, GM failed to meet its initial target of selling 10,000 Volts. Will Akerson further downsize the forecast the next time he's asked?


http://green.autoblog.com/2012/08/18/wh ... st-number/

Has anyone found any reports that current LEAF production capacity is greater than current world-wide sales?
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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:20 am

RegGuheert wrote:
Anyway, it might be interesting to see what happens to it. Here is a link to Tony's old car at CarMax.

I will note that it still has 12 bars in the picture CarMax took of the dash.


Ok, this is for the search engines>> JN1AZ0CP4BT002244

I'm surprised that the add doesn't mention the $500 ceramic tinted windows.

They stuck the front plate on, and bought a new EVSE package (I didn't include that $950 retail product, plus $300 upgrade with the car). Those tires are off my 2012 (they had to reset the TPMS to match the new wheels, which I didn't do), so there's about 4500 miles on them, plus a few race miles at Laguna Seca.

If a future purchaser is reading this, I'll be happy to offer you the white HOV stickers and registration that goes with the car (never used). Just pay me cost plus shipping.

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Re: July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:29 am

I'm planning to close this thread and open a new one from next month.
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