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Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:42 am

Hi guys,

First post here. I'll try to keep this short. Thanks in advance for any comments on this.

I'm planning on buying a used 2014 Nissan Leaf Accenta with 11,000 miles on it. I've scanned the car with the LeafSpy app and the screenshots are attached below.

My question is if it is possible for a car with 11,000 miles to have an SoH of 96%. Also the voltage is at a 361.16V which is lower than the other cars I've scanned (This car has been parked at a dealership for almost 2 years now). Is this going to be a problem?

Please let me know if any of you have any idea on this. Thanks again. Cheers!

P.S : Is there any way to clarify if this car has the new lizard battery or not?
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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:54 am

Assuming the car was kept in one of the cooler parts of Europe it's quite possible it has that SOH. There are still a few 2013 Leafs with SOH in that vicinity. It very likely does NOT have the Lizard Pack, but does have the improved pack installed beginning in mid 2013. I'm not sure of the exact timing in Europe, but I'm fairly sure that by 2014 all Leafs everywhere had the improved chemistry.
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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:05 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Assuming the car was kept in one of the cooler parts of Europe it's quite possible it has that SOH. There are still a few 2013 Leafs with SOH in that vicinity. It very likely does NOT have the Lizard Pack, but does have the improved pack installed beginning in mid 2013. I'm not sure of the exact timing in Europe, but I'm fairly sure that by 2014 all Leafs everywhere had the improved chemistry.

Hi, Thanks for the reply. This makes sense given that the car was used in Gateshed, UK. Its too bad that it doesn't have the Lizard Battery. Should I be concerned about this as I'm buying this car to use in Sri Lanka which is a tropical country with fairly warm climates around the year?

Also what's your take on the lower battery voltage? Like I said its at a 360V compared to the 380-390v the other cars I scanned had? Thanks again :)

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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:09 am

The car is very low on charge per the low SOC, so of course the voltage will be low.

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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:13 am

cwerdna wrote:The car is very low on charge per the low SOC, so of course the voltage will be low.

Ohh I wasn't aware that there was a correlation between the two. I will redo the scan after a full charge and check again. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:24 am

Should I be concerned about this as I'm buying this car to use in Sri Lanka which is a tropical country with fairly warm climates around the year?


Yes, you should. But even the Lizard pack wouldn't hold up extremely well in Sri Lanka. Unless you'll have modest range needs there, a Leaf probably isn't a good choice. And yes on the low voltage: lithium batteries don't drop voltage as fast as other battery types as charge is used, but the voltage still drops. My Vectrix with Leaf cells has a voltage range from 131 or less to about 142 volts, depending on SOC.
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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:43 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Should I be concerned about this as I'm buying this car to use in Sri Lanka which is a tropical country with fairly warm climates around the year?


Yes, you should. But even the Lizard pack wouldn't hold up extremely well in Sri Lanka. Unless you'll have modest range needs there, a Leaf probably isn't a good choice. And yes on the low voltage: lithium batteries don't drop voltage as fast as other battery types as charge is used, but the voltage still drops. My Vectrix with Leaf cells has a voltage range from 131 or less to about 142 volts, depending on SOC.

That's true. But I guess it all burns down to how you use the car (Eg; how often you quick charge etc.) Cause I have a friend who has used his 2015 Nissan Leaf for around 6,000 miles now with zero degradation to the battery in terms of SoH (In Sri Lanka). But since its 2015 I'm assuming that his car has the lizard pack. My concern is if my degradation will be much severe compared to his if my car has a non-lizard pack :/

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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:48 pm

My concern is if my degradation will be much severe compared to his if my car has a non-lizard pack


That's a good question. If I were you I'd look for a 2015 Leaf, rather than be a test case to find the answer...
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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:10 pm

You might want to consider other EVs that have thermal management systems (TMS) for better cooling.

I would research the Renault Zoe, VW e-Up!, Kia Soul EV, and VM e-Golf to see which, if any, have a TMS for keeping the pack cool in hot climates. I'm not very familiar with any of those cars, but perhaps someone else here knows for sure if any do...
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Re: Is 96% SoH possible with 11,000 miles?

Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:17 am

alozzy wrote:You might want to consider other EVs that have thermal management systems (TMS) for better cooling.

I would research the Renault Zoe, VW e-Up!, Kia Soul EV, and VM e-Golf to see which, if any, have a TMS for keeping the pack cool in hot climates. I'm not very familiar with any of those cars, but perhaps someone else here knows for sure if any do...

VW e-Golf AFAIK still has no battery cooling. http://insideevs.com/volkswagen-follows ... ng-e-golf/ had their announcement from long ago.

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