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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:16 pm 
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I am new the this forum and this is my 1st post. Ever since Christmas 2010 as I saw gas prices in SoCal rising, I have been obsessed with the Nissan LEAF! Unfortunately, the test drive opportunity has passed my area months ago, so I have to live vicariously through those who are fortunate enough to have a LEAF already. A special thanks to those who have posted videos of their test drives and general LEAF ownership experiences.

Seeing how I probably won't be able to get a LEAF until 2012, I thought I'd ask what everyone thinks will be in the 2010 LEAF model. My prediction is that battery technology will improve by that time, allowing for greater driving range.

  • greater range (~120-150 miles)
  • 6.6 kW charger
  • more color choices
  • lower MSRP *fingers crossed*

Do you think the 2nd round of reservations will be for the 2012 model since it'll be around the end of summer 2011?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:21 pm 
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arwang wrote:
I am new the this forum and this is my 1st post. Ever since Christmas 2010 as I saw gas prices in SoCal rising, I have been obsessed with the Nissan LEAF! Unfortunately, the test drive opportunity has passed my area months ago, so I have to live vicariously through those who are fortunate enough to have a LEAF already. A special thanks to those who have posted videos of their test drives and general LEAF ownership experiences.

Seeing how I probably won't be able to get a LEAF until 2012, I thought I'd ask what everyone thinks will be in the 2010 LEAF model. My prediction is that battery technology will improve by that time, allowing for greater driving range.

  • greater range (~120-150 miles)
  • 6.6 kW charger
  • more color choices
  • lower MSRP *fingers crossed*

Do you think the 2nd round of reservations will be for the 2012 model since it'll be around the end of summer 2011?


Welcome to the forum!!

I think your guess list is pretty accurate. I'm guessing perhaps a leather option (or fake leather anyway) since the cloth interior is getting panned by a lot of people.

I'm sure you'll see a mix of changes to the controlability of the functions....i.e. easier selection of ECO mode perhaps, possibly customizable steering wheel buttons, etc.

What part of San Diego do you live in? If I ever get a break from work, maybe I can swing by and let you do a quick test drive in mine. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:27 pm 
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Other than the Cold Weather options, I expect the 2012 model year LEAF to have very few changes.

The 6.6 kW charger is likely to be the primary exception.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:19 pm 
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My question is, will LEAFs be readily available for the 2012 model year? The Ford EV is going to give them a run for their money. Also, they're probably going to have to cut the sticker price significantly if the Focus will really charge in half the time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:26 pm 
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WWBD wrote:
My question is, will LEAFs be readily available for the 2012 model year? The Ford EV is going to give them a run for their money. Also, they're probably going to have to cut the sticker price significantly if the Focus will really charge in half the time.

Don't forget Focus hasn't done any hard work yet. Everything is rosy on paper. They haven't even announced the price.

Unless Ford undercuts Leaf (extremely low chance) - Leaf price will either stay the same or move a little up (exchange rate).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:34 pm 
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evnow wrote:
WWBD wrote:
My question is, will LEAFs be readily available for the 2012 model year? The Ford EV is going to give them a run for their money. Also, they're probably going to have to cut the sticker price significantly if the Focus will really charge in half the time.

Don't forget Focus hasn't done any hard work yet. Everything is rosy on paper. They haven't even announced the price.

Unless Ford undercuts Leaf (extremely low chance) - Leaf price will either stay the same or move a little up (exchange rate).


I was going to say the same thing....believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see!!! At this stage, Ford can SAY anything....wasn't it GM who was saying that the Volt engine wasn't connected to the drivetrain at all? A LOT of what GM said turned out to be fluff and BS. Ford will have some of that as well.

Time will tell. The Leaf isn't going anywhere unless the batteries suddenly fail for no reason. Have you heard of any Leaf owner who is regretting the decision?? Me neither.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:41 pm 
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arwang wrote:
Do you think the 2nd round of reservations will be for the 2012 model since it'll be around the end of summer 2011?

I see no chance of a greater range. If it happens that would really take everyone by surprise (esp. Ford !).

The 2nd round of reservations in launch states may still get MY11. Others will get MY12. My list ...

  • Cold weather package
  • 6.6 kW charger option/trim
  • more color/fabric choices (both internal & external)
  • more accessories / trims
  • no SL ETEC trim
  • higher MSRP ?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:49 pm 
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Jimmydreams wrote:
evnow wrote:
WWBD wrote:
My question is, will LEAFs be readily available for the 2012 model year? The Ford EV is going to give them a run for their money. Also, they're probably going to have to cut the sticker price significantly if the Focus will really charge in half the time.

Don't forget Focus hasn't done any hard work yet. Everything is rosy on paper. They haven't even announced the price.

Unless Ford undercuts Leaf (extremely low chance) - Leaf price will either stay the same or move a little up (exchange rate).


I was going to say the same thing....believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see!!! At this stage, Ford can SAY anything....wasn't it GM who was saying that the Volt engine wasn't connected to the drivetrain at all? A LOT of what GM said turned out to be fluff and BS. Ford will have some of that as well.

Time will tell. The Leaf isn't going anywhere unless the batteries suddenly fail for no reason. Have you heard of any Leaf owner who is regretting the decision?? Me neither.


Hey, I love me my LEAF! No complaints here. But I'm just being realistic with respect to the bomb Ford dropped at CES last week. Specs are sure to change here and there, but a 100 mile charge in half the time is what they're saying. Nissan told us a year ago that the Leaf would have a 100 mile charge and it would charge in about 8 hours. That turned out to be roughly accurate. My point is that I'm sure Nissan is scrambling to figure out how to position themselves with this new direct competitor that appears to have a big advantage tech wise.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:57 pm 
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WWBD wrote:
Specs are sure to change here and there, but a 100 mile charge in half the time is what they're saying. Nissan told us a year ago that the Leaf would have a 100 mile charge and it would charge in about 8 hours. That turned out to be roughly accurate. My point is that I'm sure Nissan is scrambling to figure out how to position themselves with this new direct competitor that appears to have a big advantage tech wise.

I don't think Nissan is scrambling anything Ford - probably worried about technology stolen by some Chinese guys.

Ford will do the 6.6 kw charger, no doubt. Nissan can do that for 2012 MY too. What else does Ford have - apart from a slew of negatives because it is a conversion ? Some people will no doubt like Focus's faux grill. I don't think Nissan can do much about that.

Anyway, what we are talking about is the fact that from auto show to the show room is a long treacherous road.

For eg., have you seen the reaction to the new MyFord. People are panning it for being too slow/clunky/buggy. CR even says they won't recommend the models because of that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:57 pm 
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WWBD wrote:
Hey, I love me my LEAF! No complaints here. But I'm just being realistic with respect to the bomb Ford dropped at CES last week. Specs are sure to change here and there, but a 100 mile charge in half the time is what they're saying. Nissan told us a year ago that the Leaf would have a 100 mile charge and it would charge in about 8 hours. That turned out to be roughly accurate. My point is that I'm sure Nissan is scrambling to figure out how to position themselves with this new direct competitor that appears to have a big advantage tech wise.


The difference is that a year ago, Nissan was more or less all alone in what they were saying and doing. Now, Ford and other companies are playing catch-up. And since the Leaf and Volt are getting all the attention, the only way to steal the cameras away from them is to say something better. It doesn't have to be true, just SAY it and you get a portion of the media to notice. Also, consider that the talking heads for Ford may not be paying much attention to the actual engineers designing the Focus:

CEO says "I want 4 hour charging!".
Engineers say "We'll see what we can do about 4 hour charging!"
Spokesman hears that they're working on 4 hour charge and says "The Focus will charge in 4 hours or less."

True? Lies? Or hopeful rhetoric?
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