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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:17 pm

I think what the OP is trying to say is that to the normal person (not us EV geeks here) hearing from salesman from really ambiguous Nissan literature and the EPA sticker it can be confusing. Is this confusion a concerted effort by all involved to confuse the non geek buyer? To some I think the answer is yes.
Most people aren't on this site or others gathering information. They see and hear things and they buy in the hope that corporations are not going to fu*k them. We all know better.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:04 pm

The window sticker says "on a fully charged battery, the car can travel about ... .... ... 73 miles

I cannot think of how it can be said any clearer, but maybe OP has a suggestion.
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NissanClient73
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:46 pm

I found a window sticker. It states that on fully charged battery, vehicle can travel about 73 miles. I also realized that we paid $39,190.00 for this piece of crap. Sage Brush has insulted my intelligence twice today. One has to be really dumb to pay so much money for a golf car.

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:43 pm

NissanClient73 wrote:I found a window sticker. It states that on fully charged battery, vehicle can travel about 73 miles. I also realized that we paid $39,190.00 for this piece of crap. Sage Brush has insulted my intelligence twice today. One has to be really dumb to pay so much money for a golf car.


Don't mean to insult you the 3rd time, but you got your $10,000 back from the government after purchase, right?
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:03 am

In the meantime, NissanClient73 may wish to consult the 8 capacity bar range chart at https://www.dropbox.com/s/epy3s5bmcbu3g ... 3.pdf?dl=0 (from viewtopic.php?f=31&t=4295). At 60 mph at 70 F on level ground w/no HVAC usage (other conditions there), the car should average 3.9 miles/kWh and should be able to achieve at least 52 miles until dead. As I pointed out, in the Phoenix range test at a slightly higher speed of 100 km/h (~62 mph), a 4 bar loser achieved ~59 miles.

The range chart predicts 83 miles at 35 mph.

If NissanClient73 doesn't have anything that reads battery gids, he should get something that does. The video about Leaf Spy at viewtopic.php?f=55&t=25586&p=523867&hilit=youtube#p523867 may give more context. It's esp. important for '11 and '12 Leafs which have no % state of charge display. Gids can be used as a proxy for % SoC.

Also, side note, I do recall seeing either printed literature or stuff on Nissan's web site back then that outlined these scenarios: viewtopic.php?t=1226. I was able to find a working archive.org copy at https://web.archive.org/web/20110823071 ... imer/index.

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:57 am

@cwerdna,
If NissanClient73 doesn't have anything that reads battery gids, he should get something that does.

Any reason to not rely on a SOC gauge from LeafSpy ?
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:47 am

Valdemar wrote:Don't mean to insult you the 3rd time, but you got your $10,000 back from the government after purchase, right?
$7500 plus whatever was offered in their state back then. My state didn't offer anything until 3 years ago.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:14 am

jlv wrote:
Valdemar wrote:Don't mean to insult you the 3rd time, but you got your $10,000 back from the government after purchase, right?
$7500 plus whatever was offered in their state back then. My state didn't offer anything until 3 years ago.


Their state is CA, hence the amount.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:18 am

^^^
And, for those who got their Leafs VERY early on, wasn't the CVRP originally $5000 LONG ago? (This is way before my time.)

Let's also hope NissanClient73 applied for a rebate from their electric utility, if applicable. (e.g. $500 from https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... icles.page)
SageBrush wrote:@cwerdna,
If NissanClient73 doesn't have anything that reads battery gids, he should get something that does.

Any reason to not rely on a SOC gauge from LeafSpy ?

I don't like the percentages of SoC or gids from Leaf Spy. What's the denominator?

I'd rather look at actual # of gids.

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:37 am

cwerdna wrote:^^^
And, for those who got their Leafs VERY early on, wasn't the CVRP originally $5000 LONG ago? (This is way before my time.)

Let's also hope NissanClient73 applied for a rebate from their electric utility, if applicable. (e.g. $500 from https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... icles.page)
SageBrush wrote:@cwerdna,
If NissanClient73 doesn't have anything that reads battery gids, he should get something that does.

Any reason to not rely on a SOC gauge from LeafSpy ?

I don't like the percentages of SoC or gids from Leaf Spy. What's the denominator?

I'd rather look at actual # of gids.

Now I remember ... we have discussed this before.

If a full range is 50-60 miles, then 1% is 0.5 - 0.6 miles. So perhaps a 0.1 mile error
That would be plenty accurate for my use.
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