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Let's me start a new thread.

If the total price for getting a SL or SV 2016 will be 5000$ more than getting 2015 model, do you think it still worth for 2016?

I am getting a 2015 SV, as I don';t think 6kwh worth more than 5000$.

Getting a brand new battery is only 5000$, guys...
 
There isn't a $5,000 price difference between 2015 and 2016.

2015 SV: $32100
2016 SV: $35050

2015 SL: $35120
2016 SL: $37640


Perhaps you are thinking about the 2016 S vs 2016 SV:

2016 S: $29860
2016 SV: $35050


Moving from an S to an SV, you get:

QC + 6kW charger ($1770 option on S)
NissanConnect with 6 speakers (instead of 4 on S)
Heat pump (resistance-only on S)
Heated leather steering wheel
17" Alloy Wheels (steelies on the S)
Power heated mirrors
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Passenger seatback pocket
Bio-suede seat cloth


So it's not just +6kWh.
 
Upstairs, I am not talking about MSRP.

I am talking about the street price. Same SV model could cost you more than 5000$. For 2015 model, huge discount from Nissan and from dealer who has 2015 stock, for 2016, no discount what so ever.

If you are a good negotiator, you probably could get 10,000 off MSRP on 2015s.
 
seanxushen said:
Upstairs, I am not talking about MSRP.

I am talking about the street price. Same SV model could cost you more than 5000$. For 2015 model, huge discount from Nissan and from dealer who has 2015 stock, for 2016, no discount what so ever.

If you are a good negotiator, you probably could get 10,000 off MSRP on 2015s.
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If the range of the 2015 fits your needs (now AND in the future), then I'm sure you can get a great deal while the dealers are trying to unload them. But most people find the 24kWh range too constricting, especially in winter and/or after a few years of degradation, and the better range combined with the longer capacity warranty boosts the immediate and long term _value_ of a 2016 w/30 kWh well above a 24 kWh car for most people. Of course, many of the people who might opt for a 2016 are instead holding off for the 2017 or later arrival of the 2nd Gen LEAF and other BEVs, when even more range should be available for about the same price.
 
Some of us who got good lease deals on '13 face the same question - is '16 worth 2x or more per month ?
 
GRA said:
seanxushen said:
Upstairs, I am not talking about MSRP.

I am talking about the street price. Same SV model could cost you more than 5000$. For 2015 model, huge discount from Nissan and from dealer who has 2015 stock, for 2016, no discount what so ever.

If you are a good negotiator, you probably could get 10,000 off MSRP on 2015s.
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If the range of the 2015 fits your needs (now AND in the future), then I'm sure you can get a great deal while the dealers are trying to unload them. But most people find the 24kWh range too constricting, especially in winter and/or after a few years of degradation, and the better range combined with the longer capacity warranty boosts the immediate and long term _value_ of a 2016 w/30 kWh well above a 24 kWh car for most people. Of course, many of the people who might opt for a 2016 are instead holding off for the 2017 or later arrival of the 2nd Gen LEAF and other BEVs, when even more range should be available for about the same price.
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You make the point, if 2nd/3rd generation of EV on the way, why not getting a 24Kwh for now which is much cheaper for leasing/buying. After 36 months for say, sell it or return the leased car. The price difference currently having (plus 3 years interests for leasing) will not justify a bit higher 2016 residual value after 3 years.

For me the math is simple, so I am getting a 2015 SV white....

BTW, it will be 2nd car in my house, and 24kWh is enough for my usage of the EV,,
 
kubel said:
There isn't a $5,000 price difference between 2015 and 2016.

2015 SV: $32100
2016 SV: $35050

2015 SL: $35120
2016 SL: $37640
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MSRP difference between '15-'16 is between $2,500-$3,000
Then the current NMAC rebate on the '15 is $5,000 vs $3,500 for the '16
Then there's the dealer discount. Currently you should be able to negotiate $5,000 dealer discount. (I just did) I expect the '16 dealer discount at best would be about $2,000.

So in the real world, buying a '15 would cost $7,000 - $7,500 less than buying a '16 next month.

We are retired an live in a suburban Florida community. Speed limits range from 30 mph to 50 mph unless we need to get on the interstate. Rarely do we travel more than 50 miles a day. We are doing 4.5-4.7 kW/mi and after 50 miles the GOM shows 50 miles remaining. The '15 works well for us as second car for around town.

Here is a 60 mile day for us. 20 of the miles were driven on the interstate at 65 mph and the rest was local stop and go traffic. We used a total of 15.3 kWh at 4.0 kWh/mile. At the end of the day we had 3 bars showing and the GOM I believe displayed 30 miles remaining.

 
My 2013 will have its last (?) lease extension end 5/31. Either there will be good deals for Memorial Day at that point, or if I can't extend again I may choose to get by without a four-wheeled EV until Labor Day - especially if I can find a nice used Zero S or I actually get my POS ZEV fixed.. I can afford to make a larger down payment this time, and will qualify for VPP, but if it's so much more expensive to lease that this only gets me a $300 a month payment, I might end up buying my car after all. We'll have to see if Nissan puts profit over brand loyalty. Can anyone calculate, based on the residual and a likely money factor, how much I'd need to put down to get a 2016 SV at $199 a month? Because that will be my maximum payment.
 
Flyct said:
kubel said:
There isn't a $5,000 price difference between 2015 and 2016.

2015 SV: $32100
2016 SV: $35050

2015 SL: $35120
2016 SL: $37640
Click to expand...

MSRP difference between '15-'16 is between $2,500-$3,000
Then the current NMAC rebate on the '15 is $5,000 vs $3,500 for the '16
Then there's the dealer discount. Currently you should be able to negotiate $5,000 dealer discount. (I just did) I expect the '16 dealer discount at best would be about $2,000.

So in the real world, buying a '15 would cost $7,000 - $7,500 less than buying a '16 next month.

We are retired an live in a suburban Florida community. Speed limits range from 30 mph to 50 mph unless we need to get on the interstate. Rarely do we travel more than 50 miles a day. We are doing 4.5-4.7 kW/mi and after 50 miles the GOM shows 50 miles remaining. The '15 works well for us as second car for around town.

Here is a 60 mile day for us. 20 of the miles were driven on the interstate at 65 mph and the rest was local stop and go traffic. We used a total of 15.3 kWh at 4.0 kWh/mile. At the end of the day we had 3 bars showing and the GOM I believe displayed 30 miles remaining.

Click to expand...


You get what I mean to start this thread. :D :D :D

I am in Canada, and we are not getting 5000$ discount as you guys do, but the math is the same.
 
seanxushen said:
You get what I mean to start this thread. :D :D :D

I am in Canada, and we are not getting 5000$ discount as you guys do, but the math is the same.
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Great minds think alike :)

What are Leafs selling for in Canada?. I know that Fords sell for much more than in the U.S.

Here I just picked up a loaded SL with premium Bose radio package that had Window sticker of $38,300 for $31,000, out the door before the $7,500 Federal credit.
 
kubel said:
There isn't a $5,000 price difference between 2015 and 2016.

2015 SV: $32100
2016 SV: $35050

2015 SL: $35120
2016 SL: $37640


Perhaps you are thinking about the 2016 S vs 2016 SV:

2016 S: $29860
2016 SV: $35050


Moving from an S to an SV, you get:

QC + 6kW charger ($1770 option on S)
NissanConnect with 6 speakers (instead of 4 on S)
Heat pump (resistance-only on S)
Heated leather steering wheel
17" Alloy Wheels (steelies on the S)
Power heated mirrors
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Passenger seatback pocket
Bio-suede seat cloth


So it's not just +6kWh.
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are you serious??
 
seanxushen said:
Let's me start a new thread.

If the total price for getting a SL or SV 2016 will be 5000$ more than getting 2015 model, do you think it still worth for 2016?

I am getting a 2015 SV, as I don';t think 6kwh worth more than 5000$.

Getting a brand new battery is only 5000$, guys...
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Easy answer; there will always be something bigger, brighter and shinier just around the corner. So do you shop the Clearance racks at Target or do you want the latest and greatest at twice the price?

A good answer needs a lot more background info. First off; what are you driving now? This should be REQUIRED info because if you are driving gas, you are essentially paying over $100 a month for that "privilege." So the need to do something quickly is paramount but if you are already LEAFing it and looking to move up by taking advantage of great deals then I would probably try to wait it out when LEAF II comes out in 18ish months or so and jump on the great 2016 deals instead
 
seanxushen said:
Flyct said:
kubel said:
There isn't a $5,000 price difference between 2015 and 2016.

2015 SV: $32100
2016 SV: $35050

2015 SL: $35120
2016 SL: $37640
Click to expand...

MSRP difference between '15-'16 is between $2,500-$3,000
Then the current NMAC rebate on the '15 is $5,000 vs $3,500 for the '16
Then there's the dealer discount. Currently you should be able to negotiate $5,000 dealer discount. (I just did) I expect the '16 dealer discount at best would be about $2,000.

So in the real world, buying a '15 would cost $7,000 - $7,500 less than buying a '16 next month.

We are retired an live in a suburban Florida community. Speed limits range from 30 mph to 50 mph unless we need to get on the interstate. Rarely do we travel more than 50 miles a day. We are doing 4.5-4.7 kW/mi and after 50 miles the GOM shows 50 miles remaining. The '15 works well for us as second car for around town.

Here is a 60 mile day for us. 20 of the miles were driven on the interstate at 65 mph and the rest was local stop and go traffic. We used a total of 15.3 kWh at 4.0 kWh/mile. At the end of the day we had 3 bars showing and the GOM I believe displayed 30 miles remaining.

Click to expand...


You get what I mean to start this thread. :D :D :D

I am in Canada, and we are not getting 5000$ discount as you guys do, but the math is the same.
Click to expand...
What part of Canada? ( update profile). A $5K government rebate off the purchase msrp is still available in B.C. In Ontario I believe it is even more as well as Quebec up to $8K plus $1K for home evse equipment.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
seanxushen said:
Let's me start a new thread.

If the total price for getting a SL or SV 2016 will be 5000$ more than getting 2015 model, do you think it still worth for 2016?

I am getting a 2015 SV, as I don';t think 6kwh worth more than 5000$.

Getting a brand new battery is only 5000$, guys...
Click to expand...

Easy answer; there will always be something bigger, brighter and shinier just around the corner. So do you shop the Clearance racks at Target or do you want the latest and greatest at twice the price?

A good answer needs a lot more background info. First off; what are you driving now? This should be REQUIRED info because if you are driving gas, you are essentially paying over $100 a month for that "privilege." So the need to do something quickly is paramount but if you are already LEAFing it and looking to move up by taking advantage of great deals then I would probably try to wait it out when LEAF II comes out in 18ish months or so and jump on the great 2016 deals instead
Click to expand...
+1 and if the rebates are still valid then ( government doesn't run out of cash) even better!
 
seanxushen said:
Upstairs, I am not talking about MSRP.

I am talking about the street price. Same SV model could cost you more than 5000$. For 2015 model, huge discount from Nissan and from dealer who has 2015 stock, for 2016, no discount what so ever.

If you are a good negotiator, you probably could get 10,000 off MSRP on 2015s.
Click to expand...

You are comparing a 2015 to a 2016. If I wanted to buy a 2016 Ford Fusion, I'm not going to get the same discounts that I would get on a 2015 Ford Fusion. Back when 2014 LEAF was available and the 2015 just started getting delivered, you had the same issue. Of course there will be better discounts with the older model. And I'm sure when 2017 starts trickling in, the 2016 will see a drop in price paid similar to what we see now with the 2015.
 
Flyct said:
seanxushen said:
You get what I mean to start this thread. :D :D :D

I am in Canada, and we are not getting 5000$ discount as you guys do, but the math is the same.
Click to expand...

Great minds think alike :)

What are Leafs selling for in Canada?. I know that Fords sell for much more than in the U.S.

Here I just picked up a loaded SL with premium Bose radio package that had Window sticker of $38,300 for $31,000, out the door before the $7,500 Federal credit.
Click to expand...


Huh, only a bit more than I thought. I paid 32800CA$, with tax and government incentive deducted. With USD:CAD being now 1.33, I paid just a bit more than you paid. :D :D :D
 
kubel said:
seanxushen said:
Upstairs, I am not talking about MSRP.

I am talking about the street price. Same SV model could cost you more than 5000$. For 2015 model, huge discount from Nissan and from dealer who has 2015 stock, for 2016, no discount what so ever.

If you are a good negotiator, you probably could get 10,000 off MSRP on 2015s.
Click to expand...

You are comparing a 2015 to a 2016. If I wanted to buy a 2016 Ford Fusion, I'm not going to get the same discounts that I would get on a 2015 Ford Fusion. Back when 2014 LEAF was available and the 2015 just started getting delivered, you had the same issue. Of course there will be better discounts with the older model. And I'm sure when 2017 starts trickling in, the 2016 will see a drop in price paid similar to what we see now with the 2015.
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We are seeing above normal discount on Nov for current year vs next year model for Leaf. This kind of discount did happen previous years. You can do some research if you like. My original question remain the same if buying 2016 now, 6kwh worth the difference.

5 years from now, you may use 5000$+ to purchase a new battery which may be more than 30kWh, who knows.
 
seanxushen said:
GRA said:
If the range of the 2015 fits your needs (now AND in the future), then I'm sure you can get a great deal while the dealers are trying to unload them. But most people find the 24kWh range too constricting, especially in winter and/or after a few years of degradation, and the better range combined with the longer capacity warranty boosts the immediate and long term _value_ of a 2016 w/30 kWh well above a 24 kWh car for most people. Of course, many of the people who might opt for a 2016 are instead holding off for the 2017 or later arrival of the 2nd Gen LEAF and other BEVs, when even more range should be available for about the same price.
Click to expand...
You make the point, if 2nd/3rd generation of EV on the way, why not getting a 24Kwh for now which is much cheaper for leasing/buying. After 36 months for say, sell it or return the leased car. The price difference currently having (plus 3 years interests for leasing) will not justify a bit higher 2016 residual value after 3 years.

For me the math is simple, so I am getting a 2015 SV white....

BTW, it will be 2nd car in my house, and 24kWh is enough for my usage of the EV,,
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Sure, in your situation if the 2015 will be adequate for your needs until you upgrade, leasing a 2015 now makes sense until you can buy a car that meets more of your needs. I've never recommended that people _buy_ a car with interim capability and unknown long-term durability (whatever 'long-term' means for the individual). The question of the 2016's value over the 2015 is solely for those people who know that their needs are unlikely to be satisfied by the 24kWh battery for the period they plan to keep the car.
 

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