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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 9:05 am

ishiyakazuo wrote:http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=19694&start=30#p422791
It's possible, based on some info in this thread. It seems like the lizards could be at least 27kWh.


This is an interesting theory...and one I hope we can collect more data on since I'm due to get a replacement ("lizard") pack later this year.
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 9:06 am

Any word on the e-NV200 van for 2016 in the USA?
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 9:09 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:FWIW, this is a good move on Nissan's part IMO. They'll be able to use the sales data to determine how to package the Gen 2 as far as range, trim level and options. It's not a full blown 40-48kWh usable everyone is dreaming about just yet but it's a great stopgap as some have mentioned to compete with the Soul EV for now.

Brudda,

Thanks again for this! Any idea if the S, SV, SL prices will stay close to the current price?

Also, have you heard anything about a 60kWh pack "on the factory floor"? That there may be a real 200+ mi option in wings for Leaf 2.0?
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 9:53 am

Valdemar wrote:
ishiyakazuo wrote:
minispeed wrote:A lighter 24kWh battery would then go further than the current one so it could also be seen as an upgrade.

Someone mentioned a theory that the 24kWh may be a restricted 30kWh, it would be interesting to see the weight specs of each to confirm. It would also be interesting to find out if all 2015 lizard packs had the same restriction.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=19694&start=30#p422791
It's possible, based on some info in this thread. It seems like the lizards could be at least 27kWh.


Is this what makes them "tolerate" heat better, he-he.


Just a safe way of testing for it. If they never opened it up with more capacity then yes it would be a cheap, and not entirely ethical way of achieving a heat resistant pack. The volt may do this in a more honest way, there may be no way to measure the degradation of it's battery until it's capacity dips below it's large restriction.

If they did choose this route who's to say that the new 30kWh option isn't just a second phase test of a larger overall pack before the 2nd gen comes out, ie a restricted 40-48?

We can keep playing the guessing games until someone opens one up and tests them but I can tell you that my 2015 is almost a year old with 32000km, 20k miles and shows 0 loss, still reads 292 gids however it only went through the tail end of summer and was sold to me while it was still in transit from the factory.
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 9:55 am

Yep, as previously stated, Chemistry yes, capacity definitely no...

By the way, it is a long story how it all came about, but I am pick up my car with a warranty new battery today and the parts list shows it is an F revision...

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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 10:00 am

ampitupco wrote:Any word on the e-NV200 van for 2016 in the USA?
If e-NV200 gets the 30kWh pack then it will have 94 mile range. The last word I heard is that it is going to be available for fleet purchases first half of next year. Nissan said they were thinking of making a Rogue electric, so that might replace the e-nv200 for passengers in the U.S.
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 10:57 am

ampitupco wrote:Any word on the e-NV200 van for 2016 in the USA?


No word yet on availability in the US, but a larger capacity pack is a must for it to be a viable commercial vehicle here in the States IMO, at least here in LA anyway where everything is spread out like crazy.

jhm614 wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:FWIW, this is a good move on Nissan's part IMO. They'll be able to use the sales data to determine how to package the Gen 2 as far as range, trim level and options. It's not a full blown 40-48kWh usable everyone is dreaming about just yet but it's a great stopgap as some have mentioned to compete with the Soul EV for now.

Brudda,

Thanks again for this! Any idea if the S, SV, SL prices will stay close to the current price?

Also, have you heard anything about a 60kWh pack "on the factory floor"? That there may be a real 200+ mi option in wings for Leaf 2.0?


No word on pricing yet, and no information on anything larger than a 30kWh pack at the moment.

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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 11:57 am

TonyWilliams wrote:This appears to be Nissan's answer to the Kia Soul EV, but obviously they will have to compete against the GM Bolt in just 1.5 years (likely a 36-40kWh battery).

The Tesla Model 3 will likely be offered as a 50kWh car, with a real 200 mile range at 55mph on perfect days.


It's funny, my thought was this is their answer to Volt 2.0. With 50 miles of range plus a range extender, the jump to an 84 mile Leaf is a bridge too far for many consumers.

Kia Soul is good competition, but with such low production rates set for 2016, I don't think that Nissan is losing any appreciable sales (or sleep) because of it. Now Leaf 2 will obviously have stiff competition with the Bolt and Model III around. So that's where I expect to see the *real* range increase (i.e. 150-200 miles).
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 11:59 am

They are probably busy designing a TMS for a larger pack, without it is going to get very toasty with 50kW going in for 30 minutes.

Ditto on the Soul, I barely see them around here. A niche product within a niche market.
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Re: 2016 Nissan LEAF Information

Thu May 21, 2015 12:10 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:This appears to be Nissan's answer to the Kia Soul EV, but obviously they will have to compete against the GM Bolt in just 1.5 years (likely a 36-40kWh battery).

The Tesla Model 3 will likely be offered as a 50kWh car, with a real 200 mile range at 55mph on perfect days.


It's funny, my thought was this is their answer to Volt 2.0. With 50 miles of range plus a range extender, the jump to an 84 mile Leaf is a bridge too far for many consumers.

Kia Soul is good competition, but with such low production rates set for 2016, I don't think that Nissan is losing any appreciable sales (or sleep) because of it. Now Leaf 2 will obviously have stiff competition with the Bolt and Model III around. So that's where I expect to see the *real* range increase (i.e. 150-200 miles).

I suspect there's truth in both the Soul EV and the Volt 2 being factors. Nissan is simply seeing more competition and knows they need to step it up.
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