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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:56 pm

Languages do change over time. Seeing this one devolve into gibberish over a few years, because people can't be bothered to proofread what their phones write for them, (and because news organizations decided that the Perpetual Present tense is more profitable) is quite a bit more depressing than having it happen over a hundred years or so.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:03 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Languages do change over time. Seeing this one devolve into gibberish over a few years, because people can't be bothered to proofread what their phones write for them, (and because news organizations decided that the Perpetual Present tense is more profitable) is quite a bit more depressing than having it happen over a hundred years or so.



I accept the claim that I am one of the chief violators. I do look at what my phone is doing but it doesn't always stay the same. Frequently it will type the correct words only to change them later based on an algorithm that uses the context of what is said later to adjust. The other issue is my text is sized to where I can only see 2 lines of roughly 25? characters so "after" edits are frequently not seen. My phone also creates phrases and words that make no sense. Sometimes, I wonder if what it wrote is a real word.

I love my Pixel but it doesn't do nearly as good of job in translation than my Samsungs did. I am considering switching back but will wait to see what Pixel 4 offers first.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:16 am

Seeing this one devolve into gibberish over a few years...


One would think you must be referring to this post thread, rather than to the state of the English language, given how off topic all this is...
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:50 pm

IEVS:
What’s Better: A Fully Electric Car Or A Plug-In Hybrid EV?
https://insideevs.com/deep-dive-future-plug-in-hybrid-evs/

I consider the title misleading, as it's a discussion by the author (who's owned both) of the advantages and disadvantages of each over the near and mid-term future. Anyone who's been reading this topic for a while won't be surprised that, while I may quibble a bit on the specifics, I agree with the author's general conclusions almost entirely,
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:43 pm

I understand that GM has decided to discontinue the Volt. I presume that is because of declining sales. Doesn't that mean the marketplace has already answered this question?
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:45 pm

Dooglas wrote:I understand that GM has decided to discontinue the Volt. I presume that is because of declining sales. Doesn't that mean the marketplace has already answered this question?


If they hadn't decided to keep the styling cues of the Fugly Camaro show car, and had gone with 'pretty but practical' instead, it would have sold very well.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:56 pm

People on EV forums have been saying some variation of the following for the past 8 years: "The Volt's not bad, but what I really want is a small AWD CUV using the Voltec powertrain." Why GM didn't do that for Gen 2 instead of the current car, when the shift to CUV/SUVs was already obvious, no one outside of GM can say. Even so, the Volt outsold the LEAF here most years, including 2018. In 2018, the top three sub-$40k PEVs were the Prime, Clarity PHEV and Volt, followed by the Bolt and LEAF. The Prime was the cheapest by about $6k, and sold better accordingly despite its limitations compared to the other two PHEVs.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:44 pm

Dooglas wrote:I understand that GM has decided to discontinue the Volt. I presume that is because of declining sales. Doesn't that mean the marketplace has already answered this question?

Sort of. GM is not willing to shoulder the drop in federal tax credit.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:51 pm

Dooglas wrote:I understand that GM has decided to discontinue the Volt.
...
Doesn't that mean the marketplace has already answered this question?

Yes, it's dead and production ended: https://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-produc ... ally-ends/.

Re: the tax credit comments, yeah, probably that has a lot to do with it. Looking at the sales charts at https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/, perhaps they looked at the numbers and figured they were at too much of a disadvantage with the tax credit going to $3750 on April 1, 2019 then $1875 on Oct 1 and 0 beginning April 1, 2020. Toyota and Honda have a long way to go before their tax credit amounts go down.

I'm afraid that same thing can happen to Bolt. https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/com ... orion.html where Bolt is built is only running a single shift. If you look at their truck and SUV plants (I haven't checked them all), those seem to be running 3 shifts.

So yeah, anyway, once Volt inventory dwindles... the thread title will be true for a very long time. :)
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:54 pm

Dooglas wrote:I understand that GM has decided to discontinue the Volt. I presume that is because of declining sales. Doesn't that mean the marketplace has already answered this question?


You are making a conclusion based on an assumption.
I don’t believe your assumption is correct, therefore your conclusion is unsupported.
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