DNAinaGoodWay
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Cool! Team Nissan? If they do it, maybe Nashua and the ones near the coast will follow.
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Cool! Team Nissan? If they do it, maybe Nashua and the ones near the coast will follow.
cwerdna
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Ok. I used the same DC FC again and AGAIN, someone left their car charging w/NO contact info! (I'll call them party A.) Grrr!!!cwerdna said:I used my CHAdeMO port for the 2nd time ever (leased car starting late July 2013) but the experience was somewhat sub-optimal again.
Was at Premier Nissan
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When I arrived there was another Leaf FCing w/the owner nowhere to be found and no contact info either.It was a '13 Leaf (since it had no side marker lights on the front fenders, just like mine)
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Of course, I had no way of contacting this unknown owner. A dealer's brand new Leaf was blocking the spot to the right, where the cable would reach. I didn't want to unplug the charging Leaf. Even if I did, I don't think it'd have reached to where I was stopped.
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For future station installs, it occurred to me that these should be suggestions/requirements:
- place station so that multiple parking stalls can reach it (better if it's reachable from 4+ spots)
- leave those spaces free, don't block them w/random cars
- put 30 amp L2 EVSEs nearby so that cars can be switched over to L2 once they've tapered down to L2 rates - There are L2s at that dealer, just none within sight of the DC FC.
- signage and policies to REQUIRE that users leave contact info if on their car, if they're going to walk off
And, there was another Leaf ahead of me in line (party B). Since they had no Chargepoint card, I started their session for them, so they didn't have find an employee w/a guest card.
I had a friendly conversation party B (not party A) and we conversed about good charging etiquette (leaving contact info, etc.) and the party B said out loud that it seems the party A was wasn't particularly interested in our discussion about etiquette.
I just realized that besides my earlier suggestions, L2s near the DC FC would also enable waiting cars to at least pick up some juice while waiting in line. I actually ended up conversing w/the party B during their whole ~35 min session. I could've picked up some juice from L2 if they were nearby. The dealer has some, but they're in another area, and I'd fear I'd lose my spot.
I'm thinking of putting up a sign the next time I'm there, requesting people leave their contact info. I wonder if the dealer/someone will take it down.
Frankly, it should be the dealer making those policies. A few simple rules would suffice:cwerdna said:
= QC Spots =
1. 30 min parking/charging limit.
2. Do not leave premises.
= L2 Spots =
1. Do not leave vehicle for more than 60 minutes past charge complete.
2. If leaving premises, leave keys and contact info with staff.
Definitely agree that L2 stations should be located near QC stations, though the spots shouldn't overlap.
abasile
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I agree that it's poor etiquette to make others wait to charge if one has already obtained enough to reach the next destination.drees said:
However, a blanket 30 minute QC limit would be bad for those of us with degraded batteries who need more than 80% to get home, especially if we are limited to 3.3 kW on L2. I have in the past interrupted my QC session if someone else needs only 10-15 minutes' worth, though.
Obviously if someone is waiting and you are with your car, there shouldn't be a problem with charging longer. But once you get over 80% you aren't going to charge much faster on the DCQC compared to charging on L2, and once you get to 85% the difference is negligible.abasile said:
cwerdna
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I agree, but they haven't. 3/3 times I've used that DC FC, when I arrive, someone has left their car charging on the DC FC, is nowhere to be found and there's no contact info.drees said:
Yep, and even worse if they leave their car and are nowhere to be found.abasile said:
Re: time limits, on my 2nd trip there (as I posted at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=354352#p354352" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
, someone left their '13 Leaf (w/6 kW OBC) connected to the DC FC for over 50 minutes and was down to pulling only 4.x kW. And, they were nowhere to be found. I couldn't unplug them and begin charging due to the spot to the right being blocked.Each time I've used it, I've stayed w/my car the whole time. I just printed out a sign for myself w/my contact info w/something stating to the effect of, feel free to call me if power level is down to 7.0 kW or lower or you urgently need to DC FC.
DaveinOlyWA
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drees said:
Question; is a full charge on DCFC equal to a full charge on L2?
I have often suspected L2 gets a fuller charge but have yet to test it. If range is a concern, a finishing charge on L2 might be essential to making your destination
JPWhite
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DaveinOlyWA said:
LeafSpy app should be able to answer that question. Fill up on L3. Look at GID count and SOC%. Move to L2. Complete to full again. You should then see what difference it makes.
abasile
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Typically I have been able to charge closer to full on L2, maybe even more full with L1. If I really need a full charge, I'll stay on QC until it stops, then switch to L2.
Also, even when tapering above 80%, QC has in my experience been faster than 3.3 kW. Charging to ~90%, there seems to be no benefit in switching from QC to L2 unless someone is waiting for the QC.
Also, even when tapering above 80%, QC has in my experience been faster than 3.3 kW. Charging to ~90%, there seems to be no benefit in switching from QC to L2 unless someone is waiting for the QC.
DaveinOlyWA
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abasile said:
for earlier LEAFs you are probably correct but newer ones, the cut off is in the neighborhood of 84-85%
maevguy
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DNAinaGoodWay said:
I can confirm that the QC charger at Quirk Nissan in Quincy is available and working. I used it a couple of weeks ago.
BruceBennettNissan
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EVerlasting said:
I apologize for any inconveniences! Bruce Bennett Nissan fully embraces EV technology as well as EV Sales. We are one of the top leading Leaf dealerships in the East coast. It is very difficult to keep those EV charge slots empty... Our store volume Nissan dealership, it makes it very difficult to keep EV parking spots open 24/7.
Please let me know or the receptionist know if you wish to charge (Leaf or no Leaf) we would be more than happy to move cars around to convenience EV or plug in hybrid owners!
Thank you for understanding!
Priscilla Urena
EV Specialist
Sales Consultant
[email protected]
203-544-8371 x215
Bruce Bennett Nissan
Wilton CT 06897 Rt 7
^ There are some high-volume, busy dealerships, many of which (in my opinion) have lots that are undersized for the kind of inventory they wish to carry, where it can be VERY difficult to access the chargers. While I've never had a problem getting someone to move cars out of the way (even though it sometimes takes more time than I would ideally like), and nobody has ever objected about having to do so, I ALWAYS feel like I'm putting them out. So my personal preference is always to hit up those dealerships I've personally seen to be less frenetic and who also go out of their way to keep those spaces available. Just a thought.
How many of these 500 Chargers have been installed and how many of them actually work today?
It seems like the ones installed in Utah are constantly offline. Most of these chargers were built by ABB and ABB has not been willing to fix these things. This problem has been going on for months now.
Is there such a thing as a reliable CHAdeMO charge station?
It seems like the ones installed in Utah are constantly offline. Most of these chargers were built by ABB and ABB has not been willing to fix these things. This problem has been going on for months now.
Is there such a thing as a reliable CHAdeMO charge station?
DNAinaGoodWay
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KJD said:
Some are. Some aren't. Some never go down, are very well maintained. Some are neglected and go down often. Sounds like ABB's are crap fom the start, like Blinks. Bummer.
EVerlasting
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None at Nissan dealers in NJ. A few in neighboring South Eastern PA.KJD said:
There is a company called Greenlots U-Go Stations which installed a few CHAdeMO fast chargers in NJ. They installed ABB stations and they have been very unreliable since the beginning with the same offline problem. Many people including myself have been stranded there. Now that they are no longer free and they are charging a ridiculous $7 per session, few people use them.KJD said:
TonyWilliams
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Our Fuji Electric charger is rock solid.
Nubo
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mwalsh said:
Law of Nature: Dealer inventory expands to fill all available parking spots.
cgaydos
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DNAinaGoodWay said:
The ABBs in the Denver metro at the Nissan dealers have been down a lot. But the ones in covered parking garages in downtown Denver seem to be very reliable. Perhaps exposure to direct sunlight and/or precipitation is a problem?