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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:16 am 
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oh, forgot to ask, why you're not going for the free DTE home charger,
or did I miss that part?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:53 pm 
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testleaf wrote:
oh, forgot to ask, why you're not going for the free DTE home charger,
or did I miss that part?


The DTE promotion is only available for residential customers. It won't help me at work unless I order an SPX Power Xpress. But even then, unless I misunderstood their rules, I would have to wait until after I purchase the car to have them install the new meter and EVSE.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:45 pm 
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testleaf wrote:
HI KUbel - been reading your MIchigan experience with interest.

I'm in Ann Arbor - just started my Leaf process -
where did you get yours - the closest one to drive
for me was Toledo!!!

WIll be asking employer to let me "plug-in".



The closest certified dealer to me was Ann Arbor Nissan. I called them and they seemed friendly, but I got the impression that they were likely going to sell at or above MSRP (you can usually tell when phrases like "high demand" and "limited availability" are used). They also didn't have a demo leaf available and won't for a few months, so that kind of ruled them out. But the person I spoke with (I can't remember his name) was professional and courteous.

I decided to request a quote and then take a test drive at Yark Nissan in Toledo (a little over 40 miles from my house) since they had allocations open for March, were willing to let me test drive their demo, and were very open about pricing, lease breakdowns, etc... Chris Newman is their LEAF specialist and he's a great guy to work with. He didn't force me to get any accessories and offered me $500 below MSRP on a base SV. You can reach Chris at (419) 842-7605 or chris.newman@yarkautomotivegroup.net (though phone is the best way to reach him). Let him know Jeff sent you, and just maybe he'll be willing to give me something for my referral. :) I ended up placing my order with them even though he wasn't the closest certified dealer.

Later, I emailed every certified dealer in Southeast Michigan and asked them if they could beat 5% below MSRP (which seems to be an attainable deal in other markets), just to see if it was possible to get a better deal. No takers. It seems up here, driving out of state for $500 off MSRP is the best we can do. One dealer, Gerweck Nissan of Monroe, suggested that they they were 'sold out for the next 2 months', and that 'nobody is getting competitive' due to gas prices and that some dealers where charging '$10,000 over retail'- and he's not doing that so he's sticking with MSRP. O Rly? I would recommend you avoid that dealer since it's unlikely he will offer anything below MSRP.

Just some advice- Although I have no way of confirming it, I heard Nissan dealers get *at least* 2.79% holdback on the LEAF. So subtract 2.79% from the invoice price, add destination, and that's what they pay for the LEAF. They should have absolutely no problem delivering 5% below MSRP. The problem is demand. If the car is in high demand at the dealer you are going to, they will naturally keep the price high simply because they know someone will pay it. But the LEAF is not in super high demand, especially in earlier tier markets (like Ohio). And the closer we get to the rollout of the 2013 model year, the more people will be willing to hold out a few months for a much better model. Even I'm tempted.

Let me know how your LEAF process goes!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:45 pm 
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My work is now having an electrician evaluate the safety of plugging in a L1 EVSE... after getting approval... ::facepalm::

Usually when things get this complicated, a big red DENIED is automatically stamped on the request.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:18 am 
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Resurrecting an old thread to post an update:

Owning an electric car is a new experience for me, and owning one through a Michigan winter is an adventure on top of that. I promised myself when I got the car that I would treat it no different than a gas car. That means spirited driving, heater running non-stop when it's cold, and absolutely no range anxiety. Before I got the car, I asked for advice. Most said I could probably make it, and so far, it looks like you all were right.

This is the first time I've driven the LEAF to work and back (without charging at work) since it started getting cold. Here are my non-scientific results:

Charge: 100%
Preheat: Enabled.
Conditions: 26F to 33F, Dry.
Speed: Almost entirely 40-55MPH, spirited acceleration.
Drive mode: Eco (except for occasional normal drive mode when I started getting chilly)
Climate Control: 72F to 75F, set to auto, running non stop the entire trip.
Misc: Heated seat on Hi, heated steering wheel on, stereo on. Oversized winter tires (235/55/R17 Michelin X-ice Xi2) on 17x7.5" steel wheels from a Crown Victoria.

I got a reported 2.9 miles per kWh (may be closer to 3.1 miles per kWh due to tire size), drove about 53 miles (49 miles reported on dash), and arrived home somewhere between LBW and VLBW (I'm guessing I was within a mile of VLBW). This is actually better than I expected, especially considering I'm using the heater nonstop and am using these ridiculous tires and wheels.

I think I can expect a further 5% range reduction in January when it gets into the teens, so I'm probably going to eventually be forced to plug in or stop using my heater. The question now is whether or not charging to 80% at home, and then trickle charging for 8 hours at work is a practical solution.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:07 am 
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kubel wrote:
Resurrecting an old thread to post an update: is...trickle charging for 8 hours at work is a practical solution.


You did get the approval to trickle charge?
I'd suggest that. First, the battery should last longer on the shallower cycles. Second, you have more margin for unexpected conditions. Third, pre-heated car will be a joy.
Probably should work out some security for the EVSE cable, however.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:18 am 
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kubel wrote:
I think I can expect a further 5% range reduction in January when it gets into the teens, so I'm probably going to eventually be forced to plug in or stop using my heater. The question now is whether or not charging to 80% at home, and then trickle charging for 8 hours at work is a practical solution.


If you can plug in at work, that would be great. There is nothing wrong with the 120v charging as long as you have the time. I've been downgraded to 120v charging since moving to a new home and have not yet had 240v power routed to the garage. If you can 120v charge at work all day, you'd get nearly charged back up to full and you'd also be able to preheat the car before you leave while still connected to "shore-power" which should greatly improve the range on the way home since heating the water at the start of the heater is the biggest drain, and you'd be doing that with power from the utility instead of from your battery.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:20 am 
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kubel wrote:
I think I can expect a further 5% range reduction in January when it gets into the teens, so I'm probably going to eventually be forced to plug in or stop using my heater. The question now is whether or not charging to 80% at home, and then trickle charging for 8 hours at work is a practical solution.

As I rule of thumb you can figure that for each hour plugged into a 120 outlet you will gain 5 miles of range, so over 8 hours you should get 40 miles added. Yours will somewhat less because of the the heavy tires and wheels, but still should OK.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:14 pm 
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kubel,
since the start of this thread was about how your dad felt about you getting the car, how has that worked out? Are you enjoying the car and glad you made this decision so far?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:46 pm 
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kubel wrote:
I got a reported 2.9 miles per kWh (may be closer to 3.1 miles per kWh due to tire size), drove about 53 miles (49 miles reported on dash), and arrived home somewhere between LBW and VLBW (I'm guessing I was within a mile of VLBW). This is actually better than I expected, especially considering I'm using the heater nonstop and am using these ridiculous tires and wheels.
This is similar to my experience. Around 3.1 mpk at 32F and 60 mi range with heater, 80 mi without. Stock tires.
kubel wrote:
I think I can expect a further 5% range reduction in January when it gets into the teens, so I'm probably going to eventually be forced to plug in or stop using my heater. The question now is whether or not charging to 80% at home, and then trickle charging for 8 hours at work is a practical solution.
Watch out for this one. Below 20F you may see dramatic reduction in battery capacity, especially depending on how close the battery temp matches ambient. Best to store inside a nice "warm" garage. Check out our Norway poster for their experiences.
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