My Nissan Leaf Forum

Thank you for clarifying that.


Please understand that I was not making a qualitative comparison between the severity of the two problems. That wouldn't make any sense. All I wanted to highlight was the approach taken to quell fear, doubt and uncertainty once the problem broke the news and it was in everyone's mouth.


Right, this is becoming more and more apparent. Additionally, manufacturers should not be allowed to market any other range figure but what a standardized EPA test has determined. I'm sure that there are other things that might require proper disclosure, such as the effect of local climate on batteries. We have already seen that with the Prius, where owners in hot locales are getting half or third of the mileage out of their packs compared to more temperate areas. Mind you, the pack is often way past its warranty, yet some folks appear to be dissatisfied because they were not told upfront.


Well said. While I share your concerns, I'm a bit more hopeful that this can be resolved with a constructive approach from all sides.


I don't know if I'm the only one who appreciates your experience with auto manufacturers. That said, I don't see a reason to insult forum contributors just to get the message across.

You can't expect buyers to own up to a complicated charging process and driving habits if you don't provide them with enough information in the owner's manual to teach them how to do it right in the first place. If Nissan starts out by treating owners like idiots, then idiot-proofing becomes necessary. You reap what you sow.

Having said that, idiot-proofing is almost necessary when it comes to selling cars. And I don't think it's limited to just the American market. Human nature is the same everywhere.

agree with edatoakrun and others.
If fact, I encourage everyone to go and read what Ed said about smart EV driving and the downside of NIssan concluding that Americans are too dumb to handle the truth about their batteries.
I prefer the choice of a economical alternative that fits my situation; no heated wheel, no heated seats, no AC or water-based TMS for the battery.

I dont buy snow tires and dont need four-wheel drive as I dont drive in the snow and dont drive off road.
I dont need a pickup bed for hauling rocks, so dont have a pickup truck.

That, of course, doesnt obviate the need for clarity from Nissan about the battery up and down sides.

Sweet, I will bring the Popcorn , this will be a great show

Rational thought. Thanks. Yes, this thread covers all that, and I've summarized those issues in the first post.

Many think there is no comparison to how GM has handled "problems" compared to NISSAN. It was a lab test of a 20 MPH side pole impact in a specific area and happened 3 weeks later in a bone yard and only after manually rotating the vehicle. Karma situations are a different situation altogether -- no crash even. See NHTSAs comments below. Many never got the battery tunnel enh done. I had it done when I got my tires rotated in case it comes up in 10 years if I sell it. It was done promptly and I was given a free rental. The Volt is my first Chevrolet product and GM has impressed me in many ways.



I hope Nissan comes through "quickly" because the masses will equate these shortened battery life issues with all *EVs and that's good for no one.

You guys are too easy !!!!

Ed, the problems here have nothing to do with battery care and/or charging. We've already established that with facts. Please stop beating a dead horse.
Somewhat faster??? Surely you jest. Losing as much range as a lot of 2 and 3 bar losers have is much more than "somewhat faster."

I'm confident that every LEAF owner who tried their state's Lemon Law for specifically battery capacity (with the LEAF, not a Volt or other EV's with capacity warranties) will lose. Warranty says not covered, end of story.

That is why I suggest that the battery not be addressed at all in such a forum. We, as consumers, don't care what a battery is doing, any more than we care how a camshaft works. What is not disclosed by Nissan to consumers is hot areas, like Phoenix, is that the PERFORMANCE of the vehicle will permanently degrade the RANGE of the vehicle at a rate FAR greater than those in temperate climates, like San Francisco, Seattle and San Diego. Notice that I said RANGE and PERFORMANCE.

Obviously, this angle does not guarantee much, either. The end solution will have to be legislation to protect consumers from companies like Nissan.

First, somebody must ask themselves what their end game is. For me, I want to see EVs succeed, and soon. Nissan could quite conceivably put a really big dent in that movement, or just make it a speed bump. This issue really is that pivotal, in my opinion.

For individual consumers, if you just want your money back, I'd probably start as simply as calling and seeing if you can turn it in. Apparently, Nissan will take back leases under certain parameters. You don't even need to get into the range or batteries. Just tell them it doesn't work for you. Try CarMax for your owned vehicle, as I did.

If those don't work, your state's Lemon Law is cheap to use. Even if you lose, there's not much lost except some of your time. Then you get into the legal areas, and those are generally individual suits or class action. Believe me, there are lawyers circling for either of these.

Lastly, is Nissan fixes your car to your satisfaction.

May be some of those people with "dogs in the hunt" will be proven right but with ambient temps in the high 100s, by the time a fix (or excuse) is given, all of the "dogs" will be dead. There's a reason they don't have fox hunts in the desert southwest, the fox (in this case Nissan) would always get away.