knightmb wrote:Jedlacks wrote:There are also people gaming the system by deliberately wrecking their batteries so that they can get a new one. They come to this board and ask for ideas on what to do. They then go out and do it. When they succeed they are praised, and when they miss the target, they come here and complain. Then all the "Volt lovers" pile on by saying how Nissan sucks.
I was lurking for 3 years before I bought, and now this board is becoming more of a whining site.
It's just the result of buying a used Leaf where the vehicle is only a few years old but has some type of major capacity loss due to it's location. So, imagine if you bought a used car and it was only a few years old but somehow loss 1/3 of it's gas mileage due to nothing more than the temperature of where it was driven previously. If you game the system and get a new battery, it is like getting a new vehicle. It's no different than driving an ICE and somehow getting a brand new engine at 60k miles by some luck of a recall on the entire engine that allow someone to game it the same way.
Nissan also brings it upon itself in some ways by offering no manufacture supported way to upgrade or fix the batteries via 3rd party. As such, the vehicle feels like a software trap where you buy one version and you must use that one forever with no way to upgrade to a better version in the future. It's the one thing that really contradicts the Nissan resources used to bring the vehicle to market by limiting the ability of it's customers to expand the vehicle beyond it's stock production where it really counts, the battery.
two things going on here. If you buy a used LEAF unaware of the degradation issues, then it "could be" partially your fault for not understanding what you are getting into. This is not always the case
http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2014/11 ... -read.html
http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2014/12 ... olved.html
But the other side of the story was 2011/2012 owners who bought on the word of Nissan who stated an estimated 20% loss of capacity after 5 years slowing down to 30% total degradation in 10 years. Well, guess what? There were people exceeding 30% degradation in less than TWO years.
so like... who is gaming who? Nissan wrote the warranty, we didn't....