Of course you can !vthokia said:I live in Phoenix so can't do anything about A/C.
Of course you can !vthokia said:I live in Phoenix so can't do anything about A/C.
vthokia said:Oils4AsphaultOnly said:vthokia said:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.
I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.
don't know if litigation will do you any good, but at 10 bars, you're not too far off from re-qualifying for the replacement.
As for not being able to commute with that capacity, how were you able to commute when it first lost the 4th bar? You should still get roughly the same range (assuming your driving style and weather didn't change significantly) as when you had lost 3 bars.
I believe they have changed the Algorithm to calculate the Capacity Bars with their latest BMS Update. So it is going to take much longer to loose that 4th bar. I am going to call them Today and ask if I can get the information on that change.
I was taking internal roads and avoid freeways, that helped. I was expecting that after I loose the 4th bar, I will get a new battery.
vthokia said:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.
I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.
Vasmi said:Hello guys. I got a 2016 30kw leaf 13,000 ish miles and just lost 3rd bar. I’ll get replacement with in two months.
mn4az said:Rather than having folks deal with the crappy formatting I'm keeping my numbers at the below URL. As of now it seems that I am degrading at a faster clip than before the software upgrade. :-( However, that could mean lots of things. By this time next year things could be much different (hopefully) or not (kinda expecting it).
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmMHBcyzLWAx7IAfhTHs_dPgwtVW6w
No matter what, it's serving it's 9+ year commuter car purpose for us: 3 years of us driving it before the kids drive it 6+ years around town for high school and extracurricular activities.
mn4az said:mn4az said:Rather than having folks deal with the crappy formatting I'm keeping my numbers at the below URL. As of now it seems that I am degrading at a faster clip than before the software upgrade. :-( However, that could mean lots of things. By this time next year things could be much different (hopefully) or not (kinda expecting it).
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmMHBcyzLWAx7IAfhTHs_dPgwtVW6w
No matter what, it's serving it's 9+ year commuter car purpose for us: 3 years of us driving it before the kids drive it 6+ years around town for high school and extracurricular activities.
URL has been updated. Minnesota driver. Dec '15 manufacturing date.
Date: 10/4/2018
SOH: 89.3%
Mileage: 37231
The 100% charge after software upgrade was....
Date: 6/23/2018
SOH: 93.44%
Mileage: 32830
I'm losing ~0.9% SOH every 1k miles. On track for battery warranty replacement at around 84K miles (about 3 years from now at current driving habits). If that happens, I'd be totally cool with a new battery about 5.5 years into the ownership of the car to get me another 5-ish years.
Just move to Phoenix. :lol:DaveinOlyWA said:mn4az said:mn4az said:Rather than having folks deal with the crappy formatting I'm keeping my numbers at the below URL. As of now it seems that I am degrading at a faster clip than before the software upgrade. :-( However, that could mean lots of things. By this time next year things could be much different (hopefully) or not (kinda expecting it).
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmMHBcyzLWAx7IAfhTHs_dPgwtVW6w
No matter what, it's serving it's 9+ year commuter car purpose for us: 3 years of us driving it before the kids drive it 6+ years around town for high school and extracurricular activities.
URL has been updated. Minnesota driver. Dec '15 manufacturing date.
Date: 10/4/2018
SOH: 89.3%
Mileage: 37231
The 100% charge after software upgrade was....
Date: 6/23/2018
SOH: 93.44%
Mileage: 32830
I'm losing ~0.9% SOH every 1k miles. On track for battery warranty replacement at around 84K miles (about 3 years from now at current driving habits). If that happens, I'd be totally cool with a new battery about 5.5 years into the ownership of the car to get me another 5-ish years.
That would be awesome!!
This is what I was hoping for on my 2018 but sadly after 12,000 miles, its looking like I will be around 85% @ 100,000 miles. Damn....
johnlocke said:Just move to Phoenix. :lol:DaveinOlyWA said:mn4az said:URL has been updated. Minnesota driver. Dec '15 manufacturing date.
Date: 10/4/2018
SOH: 89.3%
Mileage: 37231
The 100% charge after software upgrade was....
Date: 6/23/2018
SOH: 93.44%
Mileage: 32830
I'm losing ~0.9% SOH every 1k miles. On track for battery warranty replacement at around 84K miles (about 3 years from now at current driving habits). If that happens, I'd be totally cool with a new battery about 5.5 years into the ownership of the car to get me another 5-ish years.
That would be awesome!!
This is what I was hoping for on my 2018 but sadly after 12,000 miles, its looking like I will be around 85% @ 100,000 miles. Damn....
cwerdna said:^^^
With all due respect, guess-o-meter values are of little value.
Short of Leaf Spy info, more helpful would be starting and ending % state of charge values.
LeftieBiker said:cwerdna said:^^^
With all due respect, guess-o-meter values are of little value.
Short of Leaf Spy info, more helpful would be starting and ending % state of charge values.
To put it another way, the update may have been written primarily to produce the above changes in displayed estimated range and to "restore" lost capacity bars. The real questions are:
* Is the car's actual range and capacity restored?
* Is this a lasting improvement, or a temporary, illusory one?
* Does this update fix ALL of the 30kwh packs, or just some of them?
amissionleaf said:just to report that my '17 leaf got a firmware update today. I don't have any leafspy data but I feel the update added about 15 - 20 miles to the remaining range reading. the longest range I saw in last summer was about 125 miles with a full charge. Today the range is around 105 with a full charge before the update, and showing 102 remaining + 22 driven right after update. The car was built 11/2016 and I got it in march 2017, now has 20250 miles on it.
ddh1313 said:I actually think the GOM is extremely accurate (ducking under the table now). If I see X range remaining and continue to drive at or below that speed until the car dies on the side of the road, it will have been almost spot on. I think the perception of it being unreliable is mainly due to that fact that a typical use case does NOT involve arriving at a charger with "---" on the GOM even though that technically is the capability of the car. Seeing triple digits at 100% is at least looking up I think, especially with some miles on the clock.
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