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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:48 am

stutech wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
stutech wrote:On my plus I get a constant 3.8miles per kw average no matter what I do.


Reset the meter.
You probably meant to say 3.8 miles per kWh

kWh is a unit of energy
kW is a unit of power. Power is energy/time



Oops, I meant KWh not kW my bad. I'll reset it and see if that fixes it. It seems weird to me that the car doesn't refresh it with new data periodically.

What do you mean by the bolded part? Of course it does. But, if you don't reset it ever (like after a charge or after segment where you want to measure its efficiency), your recent driving contributes little to what's been accumulated. Without a reset, it could take lots of driving a higher or lower efficiency or drastically higher or lower efficiency to get the "needle" to move.

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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:59 pm

cwerdna wrote:
stutech wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
Reset the meter.
You probably meant to say 3.8 miles per kWh

kWh is a unit of energy
kW is a unit of power. Power is energy/time



Oops, I meant KWh not kW my bad. I'll reset it and see if that fixes it. It seems weird to me that the car doesn't refresh it with new data periodically.

What do you mean by the bolded part? Of course it does. But, if you don't reset it ever (like after a charge or after segment where you want to measure its efficiency), your recent driving contributes little to what's been accumulated. Without a reset, it could take lots of driving a higher or lower efficiency or drastically higher or lower efficiency to get the "needle" to move.




What I mean by the bolded part is that their seems to be a latent delay in how fast the data updates even when resetting it. Other brands of cars seem to update averages more frequent. Maybe it's just that the leaf uses all of time, where other makers may use last 1000 miles or so.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:15 pm

stutech wrote:What I mean by the bolded part is that their seems to be a latent delay in how fast the data updates even when resetting it. Other brands of cars seem to update averages more frequent. Maybe it's just that the leaf uses all of time, where other makers may use last 1000 miles or so.


Nah.
If you actually reset the meter it will post a new value in under a minute of driving.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:40 am

stutech wrote:
cwerdna wrote:
stutech wrote:

Oops, I meant KWh not kW my bad. I'll reset it and see if that fixes it. It seems weird to me that the car doesn't refresh it with new data periodically.

What do you mean by the bolded part? Of course it does. But, if you don't reset it ever (like after a charge or after segment where you want to measure its efficiency), your recent driving contributes little to what's been accumulated. Without a reset, it could take lots of driving a higher or lower efficiency or drastically higher or lower efficiency to get the "needle" to move.




What I mean by the bolded part is that their seems to be a latent delay in how fast the data updates even when resetting it. Other brands of cars seem to update averages more frequent. Maybe it's just that the leaf uses all of time, where other makers may use last 1000 miles or so.


It updates every 30 seconds for first 10 mins, then once per min after that. Your likely issue is the updates are not providing new info because the data set is so large. I don't understand why people who care, don't reset it daily. It takes all of 3 seconds. On the trip computer screen, simply hold the select button down 2 seconds and all fields will reset.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:57 am

Ok, went for my first recharge after 178 miles. Car started with 97-8% and ended with 30%. 86 miles left on the GOM. About 75% highway miles. Hwy efficiency was in the mid 4’s. I couldn’t keep it at 5 miles per kWh above 50 miles per hour. Even then, you need to keep the car in the first power bar to keep that. Driver + 2 adult sized passengers for most of the travel. Tires at 39psi
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:14 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Ok, went for my first recharge after 178 miles. Car started with 97-8% and ended with 30%. 86 miles left on the GOM. About 75% highway miles. Hwy efficiency was in the mid 4’s. I couldn’t keep it at 5 miles per kWh above 50 miles per hour. Even then, you need to keep the car in the first power bar to keep that. Driver + 2 adult sized passengers for most of the travel. Tires at 39psi

Net elevation change ?
Speeds ?
Wind ?

These are the variables that matter the most.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:58 am

I just made 3 months with the 2018 SV with tech and cold weather package.

Distance Traveled: 3931 miles
Average Energy Economy: 4.2 miles/kWh

75% Highway: 65 -70mph usually in B-Mode and I use cruise control when prudent, usually light traffic since I come in and leave very early
25% Suburbs: 35 - 50 mph E-Pedal some stop lights and traffic

Terrain is always flat since I live in the coastal plain. It gets breezy sometimes since we are near the ocean/bay but typically it is less than 10mph. Average weather has gone from 60's in March to 80s in June. I use the HVAC when I think I need it.

I've charged to 100% a few times but have yet to hit LBW so I can't say for sure what my range would be but you can extrapolate from the available battery and average economy to get a range from that.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:10 am

Sagebrush,

Highway speeds between 50 and 60 mph. Minimal wind, though it was raining lightly for last 100 miles. Elevation changes of not more then +- 100 feet...its northern Illinois.
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:05 am

Sorry, additional detail. Driver + 2 passengers for most of the travel. (maybe 475 total pounds).
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:48 am

52 degrees F outside, though battery was showing warmer then that. Battery seems to moderate heat and cold a bit better then the earlier Leafs. We need a full winter to vet that though.
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