ipuzunov
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Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:51 am

Hello! I'm writing to you from Bulgaria, Europe. I have a friend in the USA who specializes in exporting cars to Europe and decided to use his services for buying and a used Nissan Leaf 2015+ model.
I'm aware of just the basic info on this particular model - trim levels, battery capacities( 4th letter of the VIN corresponds to the battery size) and improvements throughout the years.
I'm looking to spend somewhere near 13-14k $ for a 2016 SV ( ideally SL) with the 30kwh battery and the DC charging, below 30k miles.
That's why I'm reaching to you for help in order to maximize my chances in buying a decent Nissan Leaf with a healthy battery. How can I improve my odds, what should I look for?

powersurge
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:17 am

talk to your friend that makes his business shipping cars... The process of importing a car is much more important than trim level... Any trim level is good. The important part is a good battery.
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theothertom
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:22 am

Do a search for used Nissan Leaf in the US. I assume your friend will have to buy it for you and then export it.
Edit:
Something like this
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Nissan-Leaf-d2077

ipuzunov
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:41 am

Thanks for your replies, but I've already imported a car so I know all the procedures.
I just wanted some information how to spot a good Nissan Leaf, what to look for, etc.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:12 pm

You may want to get a good 2015 Leaf, as there is a battery issue with the 30kwh packs that hasn't been definitely resolved just yet, although there is a software update from Nissan that is supposed to fix it...
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specialgreen
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:34 pm

I think the cheapest markets for Leafs may be Seattle Washington and Portland Oregon. Also, Leafs in the Pacific Northwest of USA tend to have the best batteries, because summer is cool. When I look at Craigslist in Portland, I see one shop which appears to have 16 2015 Nissan Leafs in inventory.

https://portland.craigslist.org/search/ ... uto_miles=

If you really want an idea of the battery condition, ask them to hook-up LeafSpy and send you screenshots. LeafSpy is an Android phone app, which talks to the car, and shows how worn-out the battery is.

RonDawg
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:26 pm

Your friend in the USA needs to pick up a compatible OBDII dongle (which one depends on which type of smartphone he uses) and purchase a software program such as LeafSpy. This is critical whenever buying a used Leaf, because unscrupulous dealers can (and have) reset the computer to make it look like the car has "all 12 bars." This eventually corrects itself, but often not until after you've had the car for a short time.

As mentioned earlier, the 2015 models are the "sweet spot" as they seem to have batteries that are the most resistant to premature degradation. Supposedly 2014 and later-built (after March 2013) 2013 models have decent batteries too. 2011/2012, and 2013 models built before April 2013, are only recommended if you know for a fact that the battery has been replaced, as Nissan uses the batteries included with the 2015's. Pre-2013 models lack significant upgrades of the later versions such as a more aggressive regen profile and a heater that uses less energy. 2011's I believe also lack seat and steering wheel heaters, or maybe only a few had them included; this became standard equipment starting in 2012.

I presume your friend also has a subscription to CarFax, but if not he needs to. One of the more useful aspects of CarFax is finding out where the car was purchased, and often where it has resided (based upon DMV and servicing history). As mentioned above, the Pacific Northwest (the area along the west coast of the US from the Canadian border south to far northern California; major cities are Seattle and Portland) has a very mild overall climate, not too cold in the winter and more importantly not too warm in summer. Leafs from this region tend to have the least battery degradation.

Note that all 2011 and 2012 models, and some 2013 and later models, use a slower (3.8 kW from the wall) on board charger; ones with the faster charger pull 6.6 kW from the wall. CHAdeMO fast charging was included in some trims, optional on others, and for pre-2013 cars was only included on the top trim SL (and not available at all on the lower trim SV).
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ipuzunov
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:28 pm

Thanks a million for your thorough replies, guys.
To be honest, I'm a bit restricted regarding the perimeter in which I have to look for Nissan Leafs.
I've heard something about the 30KWh batteries, but thought Nissan has already fixed it through software. Do you advise me against buying it?
I've spotted a 2016 Nissan Leaf SV in LA. It has 2000 miles on the odometer, clean carfax, just one manufacturer recall for the airbag.
What is your take on that one?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/746548687/overview/

LeftieBiker
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Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:10 pm

They carefully avoided showing photos of the battery display, so I'd guess that like many 2016 Leafs it has already lost one or more capacity bars. As I said, there is a software update to "fix" this issue, but it has still not been proven that the update is all these cars need to correct what Nissan claims is a software error that shows more capacity loss than actually occurs. Some cars seem to regain capacity as measured by a dyno, while others seem to get a purely temporary increase that behaves more like a BMS reset and doesn't help anything in the long or even mid term...
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2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

sbuhler
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Leaf Number: 316690
Location: New Orleans, LA

Re: Buying Nissan Leaf as my first EV

Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:53 pm

I actually stopped and looked at that one on one Sunday when the dealership was closed. It is in nice shape; not sure about SOH or anything like that because the dealership was closed.
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