SageBrush
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:59 pm

The Nissan replacement battery is craptastic, but at least it is real and carries a warranty. What does it cost to finance ?
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:27 pm

proudapron wrote:Politics aside, can we confirm pack replacements are really $8500? I called a dealer today and they said anywhere from $4k to $9k, seems like quite the range...

At viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26615&p=537279#p537279, was
Bearman wrote:Hi all.
I just replaced the battery pack in my 2011 Leaf. I am happy so far.
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The battery replacement cost $7425.56. The dealer offered to loan me a car for the 10 day duration of the repair.

The above URL may cease to be valid in the future if it gets merged w/the topic I suggested.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... %22R%22%7D also confirms a price of probably $7K to $7.5K. :(

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:15 am

Still no word on cost of 30 kwh or 40 kwh pack. Granted all are still in warranty except and very small handful but that will change by early next spring as several exceed the 100,000 mile limit and knowing now what the price would be is just plain good customer service.

I get that things change so announcing a price today only to jack it 10% in 4 months is...well business as usual
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:04 pm

WHAT HAPPENS TO BATTERY PRICES DROPPING !!!!! :evil: Lies.

$8500 for another 24 KW battery, limited range, with NO ACTIVE COOLING and SHORT LIFE. :o

Replacement battery same known weak non active cooled design and battery chemistry. What happened to batteries getting better? Lies :twisted:

I suppose I can start looking for a wreaked late model LEAF that is totaled to buy in an auction....get battery pack and sell of parts to defer cost... That is a lot of work and effort. They only way that works is if you get it for a song and there are lots of parts to sell off the car.

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:28 pm

gmcjetpilot wrote:WHAT HAPPENS TO BATTERY PRICES DROPPING !!!!! :evil: Lies.

$8500 for another 24 KW battery, limited range, with NO ACTIVE COOLING and SHORT LIFE. :o

Replacement battery same known weak non active cooled design and battery chemistry. What happened to batteries getting better? Lies :twisted:

I'm not aware of Nissan promising that the replacement cost would go down.

Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "KW". Yes, range just as limited as when the car was new and cooling just the same. As for short life? No, the "lizard" batteries are a hell of a lot better than the crap batteries in the pre-4/2013 built Leafs and better than the ones that Leftie calls "wolf packs".

I've been at EVents headed by a Nissan corporate marketing guy. Even before the price increase, quite a few folks present were bent out of shape that they couldn't get a larger capacity battery (only 30 kWh existed, at the time). Their reasoning was: if I'm going to pay this big amount of $, I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount more for a 30 kWh battery. Why would I want the same capacity as before?

Expecting battery thermal management on existing Leafs in the wild is totally unrealistic. Would take a ton of engineering effort to retrofit, assuming there's even any room.

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:28 pm

camasleaf wrote:
cwerdna wrote:^^^
To clarify, you mean the PHEV version, right? There are 3 versions of the Clarity: BEV, PHEV and hydrogen FCEV. First two can plug in.


Yes, the plugin hybrid. Thank you. We have chosen the Clarity PHEV over the Volt.


Interesting as I read a review on green car reports that the switch from EV to Gas mode was not as smooth as the volt - nice looking car though! Wonder if your experienced that.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:03 pm

We drive in the EV mode only. On the freeway I cannot tell when the ICE will come on and turn off. In town I can hear it, but the ICE rarely needs to start while driving in town. I usually make sure I have enough left in the battery before leaving the freeway by switching to HV mode when the battery is at the lowest desired level. Some time I forget and leave the battery to deplete. If that happens then I set the car to charge the battery while still on the freeway (if I have time).

I believe the ICE can engage the wheels directly only at freeway speed, there is no variable gears ratio transmission. At high speed it should be easy to match the wheel speed.

In Sport mode might be different, but I used it once in the beginning. The car is fast enough for us in EV mode.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:05 pm

jlv wrote:From their website:
and a subscription model of less than $200/mo.

People are really willing to pay over $2K/year to lease a battery for a car valued at $5K-10K?


People here buy $10k+ used LEAFs that will last less than 5 years and have considerable degradation along the way. Car "value" is very much ymmv. I think an opportunity cost evaluation is a lot more informative and a car that costs ~ $150 a month that meets owner needs is pretty reasonable.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:21 pm

tattoogunman wrote:... Even replacement battery packs for phones and other electronics often cost a significant percentage of what the thing they are powering cost in the first place (not all, but some). ...

No they aren't at all. The replacement battery I just ordered for my originally $500 Nexus 6p was $14. Batteries will definitely get cheaper although what might not get cheaper very soon is one especially built for an old LEAF. We may have to wait until small quantity prices drop far enough that third parties can rework LEAF packs affordably.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:39 pm

davewill wrote:
tattoogunman wrote:... Even replacement battery packs for phones and other electronics often cost a significant percentage of what the thing they are powering cost in the first place (not all, but some). ...

No they aren't at all. The replacement battery I just ordered for my originally $500 Nexus 6p was $14. Batteries will definitely get cheaper although what might not get cheaper very soon is one especially built for an old LEAF. We may have to wait until small quantity prices drop far enough that third parties can rework LEAF packs affordably.


I have the equipment to test small phone and camera lithium cells. I've tested dozens. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of these cheap ones are remotely as good as original. They come anywhere from DOA, to about 3/4 original capacity (at best), usually ~50-60%, and generally a much shorter life-span. IOW, they are mostly crap, but cheap crap.
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