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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:51 am

In any case it's irrelevant. If she did had that much tax owed she still has no desire to own a BEV, and you can't own one jointly. My income is very far below $58k.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:55 am

It's relevant because making the US median wage of about $59k (for 2016) puts you pretty close to the threshold, if you're a single filer with no itemized deductions. You don't have to make a lot of money to be taxed that much.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:06 am

Going back to Bolt discussion: I sat in a Bolt at the LA Auto Show earlier this week. I specifically wanted to check out the seats to see if they're as bad as some folks say.

A bit of background: I'm short and stocky. And the reports of the seats being uncomfortable for us "wider" folks appears to be true, and I think I figured out why.

It's more than just the narrowness of the seats; most seats get wider when going from back to front, but the Bolt's seats seem to be pretty close to the same width at the front as they are at the back. They're fine at the butt, but are uncomfortable for my lower thighs as the relatively stiff contouring of the seats tends to dig in there, just behind the knees. If this bolstering was a bit softer it may not be as uncomfortable.

So if you're thin and female, you probably won't have an issue. If you are a male and don't "manspread" then you probably won't have an issue. Larger guys like myself might find it uncomfortable though. Definitely take a test drive and sit in one for as long as you possibly can if you fit into this last category.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:09 pm

Did you feel the over-long bolt sticking into the left side of the seat at the driver's thigh, or have they maybe finally fixed that?
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:12 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Did you feel the over-long bolt sticking into the left side of the seat at the driver's thigh, or have they maybe finally fixed that?


Leftie, I haven't felt that bolt. It may be there but the rest of the seat's contours overwhelm that sensation.

My conclusion is that the seats are "tolerable." They are clearly defective in design or manufacturing, but tolerable. I've driven it for a week with a auto cushion memory foam and a back support. I am driving it now with out either. The car is easier to use as a tool without all that stuff.

Entering and exiting, because of that hard plastic bolster is difficult using the swing both legs over the sill technique. Again, I've learned to accommodate. I pull myself in with the steering wheel and I pull myself up and out with the steering wheel. That technique works without back pain and without hitting the back of my leg on the plastic bolster.

We've driven two one-hour segments without pain or problems. We'll try some longer trips probably in February.

I agree with one poster that the seats seem mis-designed. And no, I don't plan to take them apart to modify them. I don't trust my skills to do that.

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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:05 pm

I felt the overlong bolt in the car I drove, but also found the seats tolerable otherwise. The padding fix I helped come up with, plus fixing the bolt, would likely make the seats "just OK" for me.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:20 pm

Maybe the longer bolt symbolically represents the longer range the Bolt has. :lol:

Sorry. I just had to add that.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:43 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Did you feel the over-long bolt sticking into the left side of the seat at the driver's thigh, or have they maybe finally fixed that?


I sat in the front passenger seat (someone else was already in driver's seat) and both thighs were getting "poked" but it felt more like it was due to the hard bolstering combined with a narrower-than-usual front edge of the seat than anything metallic.
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:47 pm

paulgipe wrote:Leftie, I haven't felt that bolt. It may be there but the rest of the seat's contours overwhelm that sensation.

My conclusion is that the seats are "tolerable." They are clearly defective in design or manufacturing, but tolerable. I've driven it for a week with a auto cushion memory foam and a back support. I am driving it now with out either. The car is easier to use as a tool without all that stuff.

Entering and exiting, because of that hard plastic bolster is difficult using the swing both legs over the sill technique. Again, I've learned to accommodate. I pull myself in with the steering wheel and I pull myself up and out with the steering wheel. That technique works without back pain and without hitting the back of my leg on the plastic bolster.

We've driven two one-hour segments without pain or problems. We'll try some longer trips probably in February.

I agree with one poster that the seats seem mis-designed. And no, I don't plan to take them apart to modify them. I don't trust my skills to do that.


Looking at your avatar, you look like a relatively thin person, and that could be why it doesn't bother you as much as someone like myself.

I wonder if GM engineers specifically designed those seats to fit around Mary Barra and nobody else :lol:
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Re: Why We Moved to a Chevy Bolt from a Nissan Leaf

Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:07 am

If you look at a photo of the Bolt project Engineer, he isn't very tall but IS very, very thin. It looks like he designed the seat for himself alone.
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