LeftieBiker wrote: pointlomadave wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:The last time I looked, last week, there were about 55 Leafs in stock at dealers.
This site shows that Leaf avail is rapidly dwindling. Will prob be only several dozen sold nationwide in November. We'll see in a few weeks. I'm sure most those are buried on Dealer lots somewhere obscure. And, loaded with a ton of dealer add ons like window etching, LoJack, etc.
55 Leafs avail is virtually 1 car per state...as good as sold out.https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
There are still 2017 Leafs left, and it's because they are not especially desired. Thus there will be no panicked buying of used Leafs when the last one (and they are standard packages, most without Premium) gets sold, probably in January or February. Your hyperbole isn't entirely wrong, but it is hyperbole.
I'll humor you a bit, but I didn't say there would be "panicked buying" of used Leafs, but rather that used Leaf values have risen dramatically according to KBB values and that the rise in values may very well be only temporary.
Let's say I find one of these Leafs that are still out there and it is 800 miles away...How am I getting it home? Aside from being a former New/Used car salesman including at a Nissan Dealer in SoCal, I've personally bought over 50 vehicles both new and used and have never traveled more than 2 hours to buy one. Certainly not going to try and drive home a Leaf 800 or even 500 miles with a charging network that still doesn't exist. You still can't get to Vegas or Phoenix from SoCal in a Leaf unless you bring a generator and gas cans or ask some stranger to let you plug in on L1 in the middle of BFE for nearly an entire day. Heck, furthest I've driven in 80k miles among 3 different EV's is 140 miles from home. I don't expect a new EV buyer to set out across the great plains on a cross-continental journey with no charging options for a car in a color or option pkg they don't prefer...especially in CA right now when the state rebate is out of funding.
Most people who buy a used car look on Kelly Blue Book to find out what a car is worth and I'm telling now and you can check for yourself and see my "hyperbole" is reflected in the prices of use Leaf values according to their site, and in my very recent personal experience selling a very avg condition car with 55k miles & some notable cosmetic issues for $7k. For reference, a local independent used car dealership in town specializing in used Leafs a year ago was selling 2013 Leaf S quick charge cars (over 20 of them) with 30-35k miles for $6500-$7500 advertised price. Get that? A YEAR AGO and with 20-25K less miles and in much better condition than the Leaf I just sold.
Would you pay $18k for a used 2017 Leaf when you could get a new one for half that after rebates like I did? Of course not but new is not an option anymore. 55 vehicles remaining in the country of a limited range EV
does not equate to "availability." Those remaining Leafs are going to have to rely on more local demand to move.
So many factors pushing prices up on our cars temporarily. My post is a PSA to those who have been thinking of selling to act fast. IF
the House/Senate do succeed in taking away the Federal rebate for 2018 and beyond vehicles in little over a month, we'll see a more permanent hike in the prices of used Leafs and other EV's as the 2018 Leaf will NOT get the $7500 Federal Tax credit anymore. That means no more cheap lease deals on EVs...not like we've seen. Take $7500, divide by 36 and add to the car payment of the previous $199 Leaf lease special...see what I mean?
Especially for those in CA, let me reiterate reasons to sell NOW:
*Carpool sticker program ending in Jan 2019 and nobody knows about it...YET!!
*CA state rebate out of funds for all but low income buyers (below $33k annual for single person) and no guarantee of replenishment.
*Anyone wanting a low cost EV has VERY few options and now can no longer cross-shop with a previously heavily incentivized new Leaf.
*New gas tax in CA went active Nov 1st has created an artificial demand for those seeking to escape the tax hike. Gas up 40 cents in 2 weeks.