toolmanca1 said:
Given we all can see on LeafSpy how much actual kwh at full charge DTE (distance to empty?) we have, we can prove that while the dash bars indicate, like mine 9/12=75% battery capacity, the LeafSpy reports I only have 10.8kwh/27kwh (original capacity)=40% capacity left. So we should easily be able to prove that all of our cars are not accurately representing the actual capacity left and therefore Nissan is not living up to the intent that batteries be replaced if they fall beneath 75% capacity.
First off, 27 kWh is wrong. Nissan has spec'ed the '11 and '15 Leaf as have 24 kWh capacity when new.
These two and MANY other sources mention the 24 kWh pack:
http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/channels/Leaf-Press-Kits/presskits/2011-nissan-leaf-press-kit-3
http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/channels/Leaf-Press-Kits/presskits/US-2012-nissan-leaf-press-kit
Not all of it is usable nor user accessible. Some is inaccessible at the top and some at the bottom.
It's usually accepted there are ~21 to 22 kWh usable on 24 kWh battery equipped Leaf, when new.
http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Battery#Battery_Capacity_Behavior was from a table in the '11 Leaf service manual. It was removed (for an unknown reason) on service manuals for later model year Leafs.
Although http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=13192 says
In addition to the existing lithium-ion battery coverage provided under the Nissan Electric Vehicle Limited Warranty for defects in materials or workmanship, the lithium-ion battery for your 2011 or 2012 Nissan LEAF is now also warranted against capacity loss below nine (9) bars (or approximately below 70 percent) as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for a period of 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.
The warranty booklets for '13+ Leafs only talk about 9 bars for the capacity warranty. I've never seen any of them EVER say anything about how many % 8 or 9 bars represents. Example for '13: https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/techpub/ManualsAndGuides/LEAF/2013/2013-LEAF-warranty-booklet.pdf from page 8
LITHIUM-ION BATTERY CAPACITY COVERAGE
In addition to the Lithium-Ion Battery Coverage for
defects in materials or workmanship, the Lithium-
Ion battery is also warranted against capacity loss
below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s
battery capacity level gauge for a period of
60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.
This warranty covers any repairs needed to return
battery capacity to a level of nine remaining bars
on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge. If
possible, the Lithium-Ion battery components will
be repaired or replaced, and the original Lithium-
Ion battery will be returned to the vehicle. If necessary,
the Lithium-Ion battery will be replaced
with either a new or remanufactured Lithium-Ion
battery. Any repair or replacement made under this
Lithium-Ion Battery Capacity Coverage may not
return your Lithium-Ion battery to an “as new”
condition with all 12 battery capacity bars, but it
will provide the vehicle with a capacity level of nine
bars or more on the battery capacity level gauge.
This Lithium-Ion Battery Capacity Coverage is
subject to the exclusions listed under the heading
“WHAT IS NOT COVERED.”
Search the PDF yourself about what percentages 8 or 9 bars corresponds to. It's not there. Nissan isn't obligated or required to make each bar correspond to the same percentages or any particular percentages.
Unfortunately, the links at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=18905 are busted and the site's gone. If someone still has the verbiage of the amended Klee settlement as it relates to capacity bars and whether it mentions percentages, that would help. I didn't follow it closely since I never had an '11 or '12 so it never applied to me.
Back to your first statement about Leaf Spy and claims of 10.8 kWh or whatever, forget it. See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=472552#p472552 and http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=476092#p476092. You can easily make that figure higher or lower by changing the Wh/Gid setting.
How many gids does Leaf Spy read on a 100% charge? What are your AHr, SOH and Hx values?
toolmanca1 said:
Nope. You are WAY off. You have some significant misunderstandings and haven't done your homework. Good luck with that.
Also, if you have an '11 or '12 and you didn't opt out of the Klee settlement, (IANAL: I Am Not A Lawyer) I doubt you could re-litigate this matter since the '11 and '12 Leaf never shipped originally w/any capacity warranty. And, if you didn't opt out or object to a class action settlement, it means that you're ok w/the settlement.
