TaylorSFGuy
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Location: Kent, Washington

Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID (now 11 bars)

Sun May 12, 2013 8:17 pm

That about sums it up. Still doing the same commute - 63 miles or so depending on the route. Charging to 100% at least twice a day. I'm now using QC once a day if not more. Two year battery check was 5 stars. Seats are dirty, tires are getting worn. No point in doing rotation at this point. Expect to change them out at the end of the summer. Carwings still flaky at best. Just like battery replacement cost, no word from Nissan of what that will cost us after year 3.

Had to replace the power window switch which thanks to FairwoodRed I was able to do myself.

My Columbia battery heated jacket was recalled due to burn concerns so I am back to square one again come the winter.

I looked at a new loaded 2013 and kinda liked it. But I will wait to see what Infinity brings or perhaps a used Tesla priced at about 40% of new after 3 years.

If there is something else I can tell you, let me know.

UPDATE: June 1 - I lost first bar last night at 78,600 miles.
Last edited by TaylorSFGuy on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mileage as of May 19, 2016 is 150,000 - 147 GID at 100%

Ordered Jan. 21, 2011 Delivered May 13, 2011

Number of months with highest mileage on Carwings - 23

First LEAF to 100,000 Miles in USA if not worldwide
First non commercial LEAF to 150,000 Miles

cwerdna
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Sun May 12, 2013 8:25 pm

Thanks! That's too bad you have to QC as part of your commute now. :( That's interesting that you still have all your capacity bars. And, yeah, I'm beginning to wonder what's up w/the lack of battery price now. I'd start a poll for people to make guesses as to when Nissan will release the price, but can't since I'm not a paying member. :(

I suppose you could get a Rav4 EV shipped to you and you'll be the guinea pig for probably quickly being the highest mileage Rav4 EV. :)

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Sun May 12, 2013 9:01 pm

TaylorSFGuy wrote:perhaps a used Tesla priced at about 40% of new after 3 years

That's my favored upgrade path, except that I'd keep the LEAF as a second car. Also, I'm not counting on the Tesla S to depreciate by 60% in 3 years, though I'm not saying it couldn't happen.
2011 LEAF at 71K miles, pre-owned 2012 Tesla S 85 at 98K miles
LEAF battery: 9/12 bars and < 49 Ah (-28% vs. new)
Tesla battery: 250+ miles of range (-5% vs. new)

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Sun May 12, 2013 10:03 pm

I still think its amazing to have 76,000 miles on tires that most here cant get 30,000 from
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 5775 miles, 488 GIDs, 38 kwh 113.37 Ahr available, SOH 98.21, Hx 115.75
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Sun May 12, 2013 10:43 pm

cwerdna wrote:Thanks! That's too bad you have to QC as part of your commute now. :( That's interesting that you still have all your capacity bars. And, yeah, I'm beginning to wonder what's up w/the lack of battery price now. I'd start a poll for people to make guesses as to when Nissan will release the price, but can't since I'm not a paying member. :(

I suppose you could get a Rav4 EV shipped to you and you'll be the guinea pig for probably quickly being the highest mileage Rav4 EV. :)


Well, you could do the complete 126 mile round trip with a Rav4. The typical range with no heater is 3.4 miles per kWh * 41.8kWh usable = 142 miles range at 65mph (level dry road, no wind, no heater).

As the battery degrades, you would need to either charge at work or slow down. If you run the heater, or the battery is cold and the TMS is heating it, you'll also need to slow down or charge at work. The same issues with the cabin heater apply, since it uses exactly the same Denso 6kW resistance heater as the LEAF (except 2013 "SL" and "SV" models which have a heat pump).

There is no quick charger on the Rav4, but it will charge at 28 miles per hour at 40 amps on 240 volts. You can go drive any 2007-2012 oil burner Rav4 to get an idea of the car itself. There are very few changes for the EV version. Also, there are several Rav4 EV's in western Washington.

Some big pluses; you can precondition the battery so that the battery is warmed up for your winter trips, virtually eliminating winter battery losses. It comes with all season tires, and great ground clearance for snow. It has more power, size, acceleration and range than a LEAF.

Currently, prices are $51k, minus $10k from Toyota with 0%, plus $7500 fed tax credit, plus up to $4000 dealer discount, plus no sales tax in Washinton.

Net price with shipping to your house is about $30k.

http://www.buyatoyota.com/Specials/SpecialOffers.aspx

Until June 3, 2013:

Applies to 2012 model year RAV4 EV only.

No current offer for 2013 model year Rav4 EV on the website, however it is believed now that there is $9,500 SoCal / $8,800 NorCal and 0% available.

The only differences in 2013 model year is a higher window sticker price, and the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) has a "D" the replaces the "C" in the 8th digit from the right. You will find the VIN through the front window, looking from the outside on the driver's side, at the bottom.

I do not expect that there will be many 2012 model year cars available after April 30, 2013.

0.0% APR for 60 months

PLUS $10,000 SoCal / $9,300 NorCal Finance Cash from Toyota (they call it "subvention", so you still pay sales tax on it in California... your jurisdiction may vary)

Includes Toyota Care, Free maintenance for 2 years.

$2000 - $4000 typical dealers discounts (the dealers are getting 2% "holdback", and the salesperson gets $1000 from Toyota USA and the sales manager get $500... don't worry about hammering them on a good deal)

$7500 federal tax credit purchase ONLY !!! (NOTE: Toyota does not pass this credit to you on a lease - CAVEAT EMPTOR). You get this when you file IRS form 8936 with your federal taxes. No carryovers to the following tax year, so you need to owe the IRS at least $7500 this year.

$2500 California state credit for lease or purchase; Apply here. Obviously, out-of-state buyers don't get this, but instead you will get your state or local government incentives.

Sales tax - on an "in-state" purchase, you pay the applicable tax for your county/city. For an in state lease, you pay a "use tax" on the monthly payment. For out-of-state, you pay nothing to California with a proper Bill of Laden from a shipping company. DO NOT TAKE DELIVERY IN CALIFORNIA unless you want to pay our taxes!!! You will pay applicable taxes in your out-of-state jurisdiction. There's a whole thread devoted to out-of-state purchases and leases.


NOTE TO ALL OUT OF STATE BUYERS:

I recommend having a local California current Rav4 EV owner test drive your car at the dealer before shipping to you out of state. My particular car had excessive motor noise from new, so it will be easy to identify the same situation before the car is shipped to you.

IF YOUR CAR IS DELIVERED WITHOUT FUNCTIONING INTERIOR LIGHTS:

A pin is located in the engine bay passenger side fuse box to activate the lights. Inside that fuse box, there is a white "fuse" without any number and that is the "pin". Under the fuse cover, there is a location labeled "short". Put the "pin" into the "short" slot and interior function like light, garage door opener, external door handle switch will be activated.

edatoakrun
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Mon May 13, 2013 6:47 am

TaylorSFGuy wrote:...If there is something else I can tell you, let me know.


Can you report what charge your LEAF battery now takes from the wall from VLBW, to "80%" by time, or even better, metered to "100%", at a given battery temperature, and post it, as others have done here?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6876&start=210

While hot climate LEAF's tendency to over-report battery capacity loss by both gid count and capacity bars has been widely reported, and acknowledged by Nissan as "pessimistic gauges", IMO, we still don't know if cool climate LEAFs gid counts and capacity bar losses (when they occur, will) report capacity (relatively) accurately, or if your LEAF may indicate that one or both of these capacity indicators may be overly "optimistic".
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Mon May 13, 2013 7:49 am

Some of us changed them simply because we wanted something that was safer, more robust and performed better, not because they were worn... I would have swapped the Ecopias even if they were made of some magic compound that never wore out... :lol:

And if every Leaf sold was in the state of Washington, I don't think there'd be any discussions of TMS, battery life, degradation or replacement costs here... Location, location, location! It is odd that he is still at 12 bars with 232 Gids, however... I lost my 12th bar long before hitting 232.

DaveinOlyWA wrote:I still think its amazing to have 76,000 miles on tires that most here cant get 30,000 from
Last edited by TomT on Mon May 13, 2013 7:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2016 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Mon May 13, 2013 7:52 am

edatoakrun wrote:
TaylorSFGuy wrote:...If there is something else I can tell you, let me know.


Can you report what charge your LEAF battery now takes from the wall from VLBW, to "80%" by time, or even better, metered to "100%", at a given battery temperature, and post it, as others have done here?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6876&start=210

While hot climate LEAF's tendency to over-report battery capacity loss by both gid count and capacity bars has been widely reported, and acknowledged by Nissan as "pessimistic gauges", IMO, we still don't know if cool climate LEAFs gid counts and capacity bar losses (when they occur, will) report capacity (relatively) accurately, or if your LEAF may indicate that one or both of these capacity indicators may be overly "optimistic".


the current weather is probably depressing his values but only by 3-6 GID. should have a better line from the next 2-3 days
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 5775 miles, 488 GIDs, 38 kwh 113.37 Ahr available, SOH 98.21, Hx 115.75
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Mon May 13, 2013 8:02 am

TomT wrote:Some of us changed them simply because we wanted something that was safer, more robust and performed better, not because they were worn... I would have swapped the Ecopias even if they were made of some magic compound that never wore out... :lol:

And if every Leaf sold was in the state of Washington, I don't think there'd be any discussions of TMS, battery life, degradation or replacement costs here... Location, location, location! It is odd that he is still at 12 bars with 232 Gids, however... I lost my 12th bar long before hitting 232.

DaveinOlyWA wrote:I still think its amazing to have 76,000 miles on tires that most here cant get 30,000 from


ya the 12th bar is weird. I thought for sure he would have lost it last week when we had our foray of temps into the 80's. I guess maybe not quite hot enough (although it rarely gets hotter even in the middle of Summer) or maybe the hot weather did not last long enough?

I venture to say the bar is already gone but only lit up due to the cooler weather. it will be gone in early July (the time we usually see temps in the 80's!)
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 5775 miles, 488 GIDs, 38 kwh 113.37 Ahr available, SOH 98.21, Hx 115.75
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Re: Two Years, 76,000 miles, 12 bars and 232 GID

Mon May 13, 2013 8:41 am

Lost one bar at 227 GID and 83.87% battery capacity indicated on Turbo3's Leaf Battery app. Only have 35,000 miles on the LEAF, so your Leaf is doing much better than mine. It may be due to the hotter temps in the valley. Charged 100% twice a day on a 126 mile roundtrip commute.
Glenn
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Delivered 4/29/2011- VIN# 756
34,800 miles so far (2/20/2013) Still 12 bars @ 100% charge, but range has reduced by about 10 to 12 %
2012 Pearl White (Blizzard) Rav4 EV

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