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Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:36 am

Hi all,

I am due to get my used 2014 SL on Friday. I don't think I am going to be able to live with Level 1 charging, so I'm trying to figure out a Level 2 solution that won't break the bank. I have a 22x22 foot garage that shares a wall with the dryer outlet of my laundry room. I may have the Leaf in the garage sometimes, but most of the time it will be in the driveway just outside of the garage.

I am thinking that maybe the most cost effective way to do this would be to install the correct outlet on the garage wall at the same spot that the dryer outlet is on the laundry room side of the garage. I am thinking this would require some kind of switch that would prevent both the dryer and EVSE outlet from being used at the same time. This location is a very convenient one in the garage, but the problem is, a 25 foot cord would not be long enough to reach the car. Are there EVSE's with 30 foot cords? The ones I have seen max out at 25 feet. The second question is, does this meet electrical code?

I will consult an electrician, but I'm trying to do my homework a little beforehand. Thanks for any advice.

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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:50 am

check out this thread.. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24849
go the end $260
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jake14mw
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:57 am

DuncanCunningham wrote:check out this thread.. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24849
go the end $260


That's a great price, thanks. The cord is only 20 feet though. At that price though, it might be less expensive to get that and extend the circuit in the garage.

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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:28 am

You've got an SL, so the AmazingE won't charge at the fastest rate possible. I have an SV, so I purchased a Zencar 32A EVSE to get close to full charging rate:

http://www.e-zencar.net/product/evse-32a/

That product let's you choose several amperage presets, giving you the flexibility to charge on either 120V or 240V supplies too. I use mine at home on a NEMA 10-30R at 240V@24A rate, which is almost full charging rate. Works great and the electrical hookup was cheap too.

Have a look at the Dryer Buddy product line (there are several models) so you can share the dryer outlet with your EVSE and dryer:

https://www.bsaelectronics.com/collections/dryer-buddys

There's also this product, but it's kind of pricey and not sure what shipping charges would be in the US:

http://ober-ev.com/products.html

Since you haven't purchased an EVSE yet, the ÖBERCHARGER would make the most sense.
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Most dryer circuits are 30 amp, so there is no point in using a 32A EVSE. 24A is the maximum.
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:34 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Most dryer circuits are 30 amp, so there is no point in using a 32A EVSE. 24A is the maximum.

True but 24a is still 50% faster than the 16a most cheap EVSEs are :)
The cheapest mainstream L2 EVSE at this time is this 16a Ebusbar, I have one and it works great on 120 or 240v, one downside is it's rather short(16') cable, it comes with a 30a dryer plug but you could also do as I did and cut it off and install any plug you wanted. I went with a L6-30 which is what EVSEupgrade has standardized on.
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:42 pm

True but 24a is still 50% faster than the 16a most cheap EVSEs are


Agreed. I was just pointing out that suggesting a 32A EVSE isn't best for this person.
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:24 pm

Thanks to everyone for the excellent information so far. I have learned a lot. Does anyone know about whether extending a dryer outlet for EV charging meets code?

If I have to run a new circuit, the run will be about 90 feet. That length of 10-3 wire would be $120. Go to 8-3 wire (futureproofing) and that doubles, just for the wire!

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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:19 pm

jake14mw wrote:Thanks to everyone for the excellent information so far. I have learned a lot. Does anyone know about whether extending a dryer outlet for EV charging meets code?
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There's a couple of maybe's on that. If it's a 10-30, then code prevents you from installing a new 10-30 receptacle. If it's a 14-30, you could do it, but you'd need a transfer switch so that the dryer and the car couldn't load the circuit at the same time.
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Re: Best EVSE/charging solution for my situation?

Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:50 pm

@LeftieBiker What's wrong with suggesting an adjustable EVSE that maxes out at 32A? I would much rather have a 240V@24A EVSE than a 240V@16A EVSE. Since he already has a dryer outlet (likely 14-30R), then the Zencar set to 24A would be perfect for that application.

Also, the Zencar has other amperage set points, which comes in handy if you ever use it as a portable EVSE (totally doable).
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