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Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 1:38 am

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/05 ... 30508.html
http://www.pluginnow.com/charging_stations

Does anything else get that inexpensive? Properly building a 30A OpenEVSE will approach that price.

Only the 16A version costs $450, the higher-current/longer-cord versions cost more.

16A 12' Cord: $449
30A 16' Cord: $593
30A 25' Cord: $749

The 25' cord version seems like a rip-off: $150 for 9 ft of extra cord? That's $10/ft for the cord! Leviton sells a 30A 25' cord/handle set for $173 itself.
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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 8:03 am

I am puzzled by this disclaimer for the $173 Leviton cord/handle set: "The J1772 connector assembly is not to be used as a replacement for a Leviton EVSE. Please check with the manufacturer of the EVSE to ensure compatibility.". Perhaps Leviton bought a lot of these cables, but then never used them for their EVSEs (maybe because they are TOO bulky)? There is an NEC requirement (Article 625.19 -- Automatic De-Energization of Cable) that Level 2 EVSE cables have "breakaway" protection, but I don't know how this is typically implemented -- perhaps this was a factor?

It is also interesting to read the comments of a buyer: "This cable is 3x thicker than the cable that came with the stock L1 charger. The three 10AWG wires weigh a lot and are wrapped in twice as much insulation as I expected. Those thick wires are bundled with multiple fibrous reinforcement strands and then the whole bundle is covered in an extra thick outer jacket made from some of the toughest rubber I've ever encountered. The advertisement photo doesn't do a very good job of showing just how big this cable really is. The plug is equally stocky and operates very smooth.".

I measured the diameter of my 2011 Leaf portable EVSE's cable as around 11.5 mm and that of my Blink's cable as around 15.5 mm. Anyone have a diameter for the 2013 Leaf's portable EVSE cable? If the buyer is correct about "3x thicker"...!!!

I would think from the standpoint of robustness a stiff cable should hold up longer than a more flexible one if that reduces the flexing that the internal copper wires receive over time (assuming these wires are constructed the same) -- so this might be a good buy. But then why the disclaimer?

Edit Update: I just measured an Eaton DC QC cable as ~33 mm, so unless the 2013 portable Nissan EVSE is significantly thinner than than their previous ones, the buyer's "3x thicker" statement is likely quite inaccurate.
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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 8:22 am

That's definitely heading in the right direction; I just can't bring myself to spend $900+ on a L2 EVSE. My one question is: will it support a "plug-in" installation? The website says "permanent", but there are other "permanent" EVSE's that will just as easily take an L6-20 (or similar) pigtail.
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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 am

I may have to finally break down and purchase a EVSE since the prices are looking kind of decent now. I'll be able to finally keep my modded one in the car.

From reading some article online there is a 30% tax credit for the purchase and installation of an EVSE, so that should further bring the price to $314.30. Is that right?

On a tangent, $156 for 9' of cable. Cost between the 2nd and 3rd EVSE. Damn, prices of copper must be outrages.
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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 9:47 am

marccbr wrote:From reading some article online there is a 30% tax credit for the purchase and installation of an EVSE so that should further bring the price to $314.30. Is that right?
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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Fri May 10, 2013 9:54 am

marccbr wrote:On a tangent, $156 for 9' of cable. Cost between the 2nd and 3rd EVSE. Damn, prices of copper must be outrages.


According to these guys: http://www.tucsonev.com/J1772Extension.html the copper price is <= $2.50/ft

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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Mon May 13, 2013 9:01 pm

This looks like a pretty good unit. My only concern is that they do a free estimate for installation, which kind of sounds like the aerovironment deal that nissan pushes. Do they have certain electricians to install them and you have to go with them or can you deny their installation service and still purchase their L2 EVSE? I'm just wondering how much their installation fees are going to drive the price up on it.

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Bosch introduces low cost EV charging station

Mon May 13, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm tempted to get this charger for my home (have been living on basic 110V), for my 2012 leaf. Anyone have insight if this is a good value/investment?

http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-lat ... 000009343/

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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Tue May 14, 2013 6:57 am

I'm pretty sure you can just by the unit itself and have your own electrician install it or DIY. Since I already have a 240v L6-20 plug in the garage it should be a very cheap install.

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Re: Bosch Introduces <$450 L2 EVSE

Tue May 14, 2013 6:59 am

Does anybody have any experience with the sister "Delta" brand unit?
JAMP JR tm, the low cost 40 amp J1772 charge station
JESLAtm, the premium 40 amp J1772 portable charging solution
JLongtm the J1772 extension cord
JdeMOtm, the CHAdeMO outlet for your electric car
JDaptortm, the J1772 power outlet

www.QuickChargePower.com

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