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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:41 pm 
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Note : Those asking for advice on your lease numbers pls post the following information for us to help you.

State :
Sales tax % :
Leaf Trim, options :
MSRP :
Invoice : (if you know)
Negotiated Price :
Taxes, Title, Registration :
Any other fees (doc, administrative, marketing etc) :
Money Factor :
Downpayment :
Monthly payment :

2014 :

Thanks to a poster, we have some numbers for 2014.

SL (24mo) MF 0.00170 residual 56%
SL (36mo) MF 0.00068 residual 43%

SV (24mo) MF 0.00163 residual 55%
SV (36mo) MF 0.00043 residual 42%


Update :

All these are for 15k Miles and Tier 0.

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Here are the April numbers for reference.

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Residual

Months - S - SV - SL
24 - 49% - 51% - 51%
36 - 39% - 41% - 42%

Money Factor
Months - S - SV - SL
24 - .00047 - .00024 - .00005
36 - .00004 - .00014 - .00043


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The money factor went down considerably on Sept. 3. That's the good news. The bad news is that the Leaf residual sunk even more. Net is that Leaf leases cost more than ever for this year.

Some examples:


Leaf S: Rebate is $8150

2 years / 12k year miles: Residual is 51%. MF is .00047

2 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 49%. MF is .00047

3 years / 12k year miles: Residual is 40%. MF is .00003

3 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 39%. MF is .00003



Leaf SV: Rebate is $7500

2 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 51%. MF is .00024

3 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 41%. MF is .00014



Leaf SL: Rebate is $7500

2 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 51%. MF is .00005

3 years / 12k year miles: Residual is 43%. MF is .00043

3 years / 15k year miles: Residual is 42%. MF is .00043



The below numbers are retained below for reference only. The new numbers are slightly different.

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Here are the guidelines for MY13 Leaf that Nissan has sent out. I'll work out what this means to monthly payments and update this thread.

All these are for 15k Miles.

Residual

Months - S - SV - SL
24 - 61% - 62% - 61%
36 - 48% - 49% - 49%
39 - 47% - 48% - 48%
48 - 38% - 39% - 39%

Money Factor - S - SV/SL
Tier 0 - 0.00168 - 0.00200
Tier 1 - 0.00168 - 0.00220
Tier 2 - 0.00213 - 0.00260
Tier 3 - 0.00393 - 0.00365
Tier 4 - 0.00450 - 0.00450

Note that the money factor can be marked up. So be aware of this and check the MF during your negotiations.

ESTIMATES :

Here is the excel file to estimate the payment : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1CIl2z ... sp=sharing

Taxes, Fees extra. Tier 0 money factor. VPP price is (Invoice-1,000) and Loyalty + VPP is (Invoice - 2000).

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Note that for S, VPP+loyalty figure with 2k down, 24 months can't be calculated, since the depreciation becomes negative !

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:41 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:50 am 
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It was driving me nuts not know some more specifics, so I ran down some info:

http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-1 ... in-the-us/

Basically:
$199/month (incl dest) with $1,999 down

Also, based on the residuals, and the SV being $3,020 more than the S, and the SL being exactly $3,020 more than the SV. Nissan looks to have optioned/priced the new lineup specifically for lease deals...which makes sense because most sales are leases.

Est:
S - $199, SV - $249, SL - $299 w/$1,999 down


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:04 am 
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Statik wrote:
Basically:
$199/month (incl dest) with $1,999 down

Also, based on the residuals, and the SV being $3,020 more than the S, and the SL being exactly $3,020 more than the SV. Nissan looks to have optioned/priced the new lineup specifically for lease deals...which makes sense because most sales are leases.

Do you have numbers for "most sales are leases"? I hadn't heard this before; or have things changed since the battery fiasco in Arizona?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:05 am 
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Statik wrote:
It was driving me nuts not know some more specifics, so I ran down some info:

http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-1 ... in-the-us/

Basically:
$199/month (incl dest) with $1,999 down

Also, based on the residuals, and the SV being $3,020 more than the S, and the SL being exactly $3,020 more than the SV. Nissan looks to have optioned/priced the new lineup specifically for lease deals...which makes sense because most sales are leases.

Est:
S - $199, SV - $249, SL - $299 w/$1,999 down


Thanks. Now I can throw in some estimates for residual & money factor to get out a few numbers. Obviously, it doesn't look as sweet a deal as the $199, zero down we see for 2012 SV.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:25 pm 
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evnow wrote:
Statik wrote:
It was driving me nuts not know some more specifics, so I ran down some info:

http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-1 ... in-the-us/

Basically:
$199/month (incl dest) with $1,999 down

Also, based on the residuals, and the SV being $3,020 more than the S, and the SL being exactly $3,020 more than the SV. Nissan looks to have optioned/priced the new lineup specifically for lease deals...which makes sense because most sales are leases.

Est:
S - $199, SV - $249, SL - $299 w/$1,999 down


Thanks. Now I can throw in some estimates for residual & money factor to get out a few numbers. Obviously, it doesn't look as sweet a deal as the $199, zero down we see for 2012 SV.

Which for me raises the question of waiting for the 2013's to hit the showrooms or trying to snap-up a really good lease deal on a 2012.

I've got a dealer about 150 miles from home who still has a 2012 SL on their lot. It's been sitting there for months and I'm sure they'd love to move the thing. I'm definitely looking to lease as opposed to an outright purchase and $200.00-$225.00 is about the max I can go with a monthly payment. So I'd love to hear opinions from the forum regarding the merits of leasing a 2013 S for $199.00 versus trying to snag a 2012 SL for the same price (or even a tad lower if I can negotiate it). Tough call because as I see it, there's pros & cons to both.


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Depends on the answer to these questions:
How much you pay for gas now - is it a no brainer with what you'll save in gas?
Have you checked your insurance costs?
Are you in a EV friendly state with rebates for leases and with time of use electricity rates?
Do you have access to evproject subsidised L2 charger

For me the answers were:
$250 /gas savings per month
$360 for 6 months for extra car
$5k rebate in GA and drumroll
$0.013063 per KWH at super off peak rate from 11pm-7am year round
Yes, installed cost fror Blink unit was $119 out of pocket.

I was able to get a 2011 SL orphan with QC for $26775 + tax tag and tile fees ($28750 total out the door)
In month and a half I've driven 1,700 gasless miles and love it. The economics were such that it was a no brainer. I don't care how good the 2013 SL could be when my total cost for a brand new car was $16,250 after tax credits.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:06 pm 
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EngravEER wrote:
I'm definitely looking to lease as opposed to an outright purchase and $200.00-$225.00 is about the max I can go with a monthly payment. So I'd love to hear opinions from the forum regarding the merits of leasing a 2013 S for $199.00 versus trying to snag a 2012 SL for the same price (or even a tad lower if I can negotiate it). Tough call because as I see it, there's pros & cons to both.


These are decisions you'll have to make yourself. But having owned MORE than my fair share of cars I can tell you this-- the deals to be had right now and in the next few months for a 2012 are going to blow the water out on the 2013 models. The $199/mo deal on the 2013 will most likely be for a base-S model car with a grand or two out of pocket. Even with dealer kick-backs that is going to be $199/mo maybe with sign-and-drive type style if the dealer kicks in some cash.

Right now most people are finding 2012 deals where you can leave a well equipped model in SL-trim for $250 per month or there abouts. Some people are even scoring SL models for less, but on average they are right around there. My guess is that you'll be $50-100 per month more on the SL-trimmed 2013 model just based on how residuals and programs will be, right off the bat. In 9 months, however, the 2012s will be all gone and the 2013 "deals" will start for the fall .. to clear out extra inventory or stale inventory.

Bottom line: right now your BEST $ will be a 2012 ... and that will be the case for 6-9 months. However, if there are features a 2013 has that you want, then wait -- but be prepared to pay $50-100/month more for the same apples-to-apples deal is my guess from my car-buying experience. (I've purchased/leased over 50 cars in my lifetime... usually changing cars 1-2x per year -- call it a really bad habit, expensive hooby, etc... but yeah I know too much about this stuff for my own good haha!)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Statik wrote:
It was driving me nuts not know some more specifics, so I ran down some info:

http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-1 ... in-the-us/

Basically:
$199/month (incl dest) with $1,999 down

Also, based on the residuals, and the SV being $3,020 more than the S, and the SL being exactly $3,020 more than the SV. Nissan looks to have optioned/priced the new lineup specifically for lease deals...which makes sense because most sales are leases.

Est:
S - $199, SV - $249, SL - $299 w/$1,999 down


so 13k for three years ownership, limited to about 36k miles?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Assuming the same 0.0005 (1.2%) money factor they use now, and no further reduction in price, it would have to be a 24 month/12k lease with a 59% residual to get to $199 lease.

If this is the case, for SV I get about $250 and for SL about $300 as Statik is guessing.

Anyone knows what the residual for 2012 24 month/12k lease is now ?

Update : From the below example it looks like 58%. My calculation shows 58.7% to get the $199 for '13 S. So, quite confident about the numbers now. See first post for estimates.

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Gross Cap Cost: $36,200
Cap Cost Reduction: $10,127
Adjusted Cap Cost: $26,072
Residual: $21,048 (after 24 mos.)

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