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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:35 pm

GRA wrote: Edmunds' video comparison test of Tesla's AP2.0 in a Model 3 and Cadillac's Supercruise in a CT6: <snip>

their Editor-in-chief says, after first praising the fact that AP was updated to fix the specific problem identified in the first video and that it was done OTA, goes on to say
But it also reveals the extent to which customers like us are being used as Guinea pigs on a safety critical system. . . Yes, Tesla litters the handbook with caveats. And yes, they describe Autosteer as a beta system. But Autopilot was launched back in October 2014. At what point does it stop being beta?

A good question, but I believe the wrong one. I think the correct question is "When is it acceptable for a manufacturer to use members of the public to test immature, safety-of-life critical systems, with or without their consent?" IMO the correct answer to that question is "Never".

CR (and the NTSB back in September) weigh in with the same criticisms about AP, via IEVS: https://insideevs.com/tesla-told-to-improve-autopilot-release-claimed-worlds-safest-data/
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:15 am

ProPilot helps the 2018 Nissan LEAF to achieve a 5-star rating as the first car to undergo Europe's new extended NCAP testing:
NCAP as quoted by InsideEVs wrote:The LEAF is the first car to be assessed against Euro NCAP’s improved and extended protocols for 2018. The 2018 protocol sees the introduction of a raft of new tests which address key crash scenarios involving cars, pedestrians and now also the growing number of cyclists.

In these Euro NCAP tests, the LEAF earned a 93 per cent rating for adult safety and an 86 per cent rating for child protection. The safety rating is determined from a series of vehicle tests that, in a simplified way, reflect important real-life accident scenarios that could result in injuries.

New LEAF 5-star rating reflects the advanced driver assistance systems packaged on the car. Technologies such as camera and radar feature extensively to provide benefits such a pedestrian recognition and form the basis of Nissan’s acclaimed ProPILOT system for safer, more confident driving.




In light of the recent accident in Tempe, I'm wondering if those pedestrian tests may also be conducted at nighttime in future tests.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon May 07, 2018 7:42 pm

Via ABG:
Uber hires former NTSB chair to advise on safety culture after fatal crash
Fatal accident was likely caused by software issue
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/07/uber-hires-ntsb-chair-safety/

. . . Online news outlet The Information reported Monday that Uber has determined the likely cause of the fatal collision was a problem with the software that decides how the car should react to objects it detects. The outlet said the car's sensors detected the pedestrian but the software decided it did not need to react right away.

"We have initiated a top-to-bottom safety review of our self-driving vehicles program, and we have brought on former NTSB Chair Christopher Hart to advise us on our overall safety culture," Uber said Monday. "Our review is looking at everything from the safety of our system to our training processes for vehicle operators, and we hope to have more to say soon. . . ."
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Wed May 23, 2018 6:46 pm

As was to be expected, via ABG:
Americans are even more wary of autonomous cars now
AAA study finds people's distrust of self-driving cars is increasing
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/22/americans-are-even-more-wary-of-autonomous-cars-now/

n the wake of recent autonomous vehicle crashes including an Uber fully autonomous test car killing a woman pushing a bike, and a semi-autonomous Tesla Model X hitting a concrete divider, AAA conducted another study of the public's perception of such cars. It's a follow-up to a study conducted at the end of the past two years. . . .

Specifically, 73 percent of those surveyed said they would be too afraid to ride in a fully autonomous vehicle, which is up 10 points over the last survey. Americans also aren't comfortable being a pedestrian around autonomous vehicles either, with 63 percent saying they would feel less safe as a pedestrian or cyclist on the road with self-driving cars.

Another interesting statistic is that while millennials were almost split down the middle in whether they would be too afraid to ride in a fully autonomous car in the first survey, they shifted negatively this time around. Instead of 49 percent being too afraid to ride in a self-driving car, the percentage jumped to 64 percent. In previous studies, younger people surveyed had been more accepting of the technology.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sat May 26, 2018 4:18 pm

Via GCC:
Suning completes testing of autonomous heavy-duty truck Strolling Dragon; SAE Level 4
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/20180525-suning.html

. . . Strolling Dragon is the largest unmanned truck in Suning Logistics’ automated fleet, featuring SAE Level-4 self-driving capabilities; it is highly automated, and is able to operate without human input within pre-programmed parameters. It is the first self-driving truck developed by a Chinese e-commerce company to pass logistics campus tests and highway-scenario road tests in China.

Using artificial intelligence and deep-learning technologies, in conjunction with sensors, Strolling Dragon can accurately recognize obstacles at a distance of more than 300 meters, even at high speed. In addition, the unmanned truck can make emergency stops, or avoid obstacles at a response rate of 25 ms, allowing for safe autonomous driving even at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph). . . .

Suning’s plans call for drivers to be assisted rather than replaced, for the foreseeable future. The relatively complex and tiring job of long-distance driving puts drivers in high risk of accidents, while automation helps reduce such risk. With the help of self-driving technology, Suning Logistics can help create a more comfortable, and safer, working environment for the more than 100,000 truck drivers working for the company.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Thu May 31, 2018 6:11 pm

I'm still trying to get my head around the demand level for off-road autonomy.

But on the positive side, there should not be much danger of Autopliot-type crashes caused by following the wrong road markings directly into freeway dividers...

Jaguar Land Rover Is Taking Its Autonomous Technology Off-Road

Jaguar Land Rover is investing as heavily as any of its competitors in autonomous technologies. But with its expertise in off-roading, the automaker division is taking its self-driving tech off the beaten path, too.

Called “Cortex,” the project aims to develop Level 4 and 5 automation off-road. That presents a particular challenge, because most autonomous driving systems rely on highly precise digital mapping of public roadways.

With an investment of £3.7 million (or about $4.9 million at current exchange rates), the Cortex project takes advantage of acoustic, video, radar, light detection and distance sensing (LiDAR) data to venture off-road with little or no driver intervention required.

“It’s important that we develop our self-driving vehicles with the same capability and performance customers expect from all Jaguars and Land Rovers,” said Chris Holmes, head of JLR’s connected and autonomous vehicle research program. “Self-driving is an inevitability for the automotive industry and ensuring that our autonomous offering is the most enjoyable, capable and safe is what drives us to explore the boundaries of innovation. CORTEX gives us the opportunity to work with some fantastic partners whose expertise will help us realise this vision in the near future.”...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/jagua ... -off-road/
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:15 am

Waymo will add up to 62,000 FCA minivans to self-driving fleet
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/tal ... 659160002/

GM’s self-driving unit (Cruise Automation) gets $2.25 billion from SoftBank’s venture fund
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/31/1741 ... investment

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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:12 pm

Game over?

In a few years we may Waymo everywhere...

As Uber and Tesla struggle with driverless cars, Waymo moves forward

When it comes to self-driving cars, there's Waymo and then there's everyone else.


...The last few months have had a lot of bad news for fans of self-driving cars. ...

In March, an Uber self-driving car struck and killed pedestrian Elaine Herzberg in Tempe, Arizona, forcing Uber to suspend its testing program indefinitely. In May, the National Transportation Safety Board released a preliminary report finding big problems with Uber's software.

The same month, a Tesla customer died in a crash in Mountain View, California, while Tesla's driver-assistance program, Autopilot, was engaged. Tesla is working to upgrade Autopilot to a fully self-driving system, but the leader of that effort, Jim Keller, left the team in April. He was the third Autopilot boss to leave Tesla in the last 18 months.

These and other negative headlines have contributed to a darkening public mood on self-driving cars. A poll released in May found that the proportion of Americans who would be afraid to ride in a self-driving car had risen from 63 percent in late 2017 to 73 percent.

But if the self-driving industry is in crisis, nobody told Waymo. Over the last 18 months, the company has been methodically laying groundwork to launch a commercial driverless car service.

Uber, Nvidia, and Toyota all suspended self-driving car testing in the wake of the March Uber crash—but not Waymo. Waymo continued logging miles in Arizona and elsewhere. And days after the crash, the company announced a deal with Jaguar Land Rover to build 20,000 fully self-driving I-PACE cars.

Then on Thursday, Waymo announced a massive deal for 62,000 Chrysler Pacifica minivans—by far the biggest deal for self-driving vehicles so far. Waymo wouldn't be making deals this big unless the company was very confident that its technology was on track for commercial use within the next year or two....

So it might be true that the rest of the industry is failing to live up to early self-driving car hype. But Waymo is in a class by itself...

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/as ... s-forward/
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:23 pm

This is the sort of independent statistical review of accident data we need to see from Tesla et al before they're allowed to make claims of accident reductions. Via GCC:
IIHS HLDI study finds Subaru crash avoidance system cuts pedestrian crashes
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/06/20180611-hldi.html

A recent analysis by the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS) Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) foundthat Subaru’s EyeSight system (earlier post) cut the rate of likely pedestrian-related insurance claims by a statistically significant 35%.

According to IIHS, 2016 data show pedestrian deaths account for 16% of all auto collision fatalities, and the numbers are on the rise—up 46% since reaching their lowest point in 2009. The increase, IIHS points out, has been mostly in urban and suburban areas where safe crossing locations might be scarce, including on busy roads designed to funnel vehicle traffic toward freeways, and mainly in the dark.

    The data clearly show that EyeSight is eliminating many crashes, including pedestrian crashes.

    —Matt Moore, HLDI Senior Vice President
Subaru’s EyeSight performs several functions, including forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking, adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning and lead vehicle start alert. It also includes pedestrian detection, enabling the system to brake automatically for pedestrians in addition to other vehicles. . . .

To study the system’s effect on pedestrian crashes, analysts looked at bodily injury liability claims that lacked an associated claim for vehicle damage. Past HLDI investigations have found that such claims tend to represent injured pedestrians or cyclists.

They compared the rate of these claims per insured vehicle year for Subaru vehicles with EyeSight, compared with the rate for the same models without the optional system.

The first generation of EyeSight, which used black and white cameras, was available in the US on the 2013–14 Legacy and Outback and the 2014–16 Forester. The second generation, introduced on the Legacy and Outback in 2015 and on the Forester in 2017, uses color cameras and has longer and wider detection ranges and other improvements.

EyeSight was offered for the first time on the Crosstrek and the Impreza sedan and hatchback in 2015. Only the second-generation system was offered on these vehicles. . . .

Looking at the Legacy, Outback, Forester, Crosstrek and Impreza individually, HLDI found reductions in claim frequency for each of them, though only the results for the Legacy and Outback were statistically significant.

HLDI also separated out first-generation and second-generation results for the Legacy, Outback and Forester. The first-generation system reduced claim frequency 33%, while the second-generation system lowered it 41%.

There's a graph comparing different models.
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles, LEAF and others...

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:54 pm

More evidence that there will never be a shortage of human stupidity, via GCR:
Autopilot Buddy defeats Tesla's safety systems; it is not your friend
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116774_autopilot-buddy-defeats-teslas-safety-systems-it-is-not-your-friend

At $179 it's more expensive than a coke can and duct tape, but does the same job:
Autopilot Buddy is a small weight that attaches to one side of the steering wheel. It's designed to fool the car's Autopilot-linked torque sensor into thinking the driver has their hands on the steering wheel. . . .

According to Autopilot Buddy's website, it works on Model S and Model X and the company is developing one for the Model 3. . . .
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