Norway wrote:Let's (just as an "experiment") go with the notion that the people in a hypotetical "Honey boo-boo"-town are pretty "primitive" (again, just as an example): would you want them armed?
Would that not be an argument for "disarming" (not hunting rifles, etc) people in this town?
But statistics and my comments both said that the "honey boo-boo" town had less gun violence, even though there are probably more carriers per citizen (don't know the exact numbers, just a guess based on my town)... at least legally. So having them armed isn't that big of a deal to me. They generally don't carry around anything other than pistols or hunting rifles anyhow.
The reason I want to reduce the number of guns is simply to reduce the number of deaths by accidents, people shooting their wife through a temporary "fit", guns stolen by criminals and used for killing/robbery, etc.
The temporary "fits" will still happen, but you are right, it will cause less deaths. Won't cut them out all together, because a baseball bat to a surprised victim will still do some damage.
Many of the "pro gun people" seem to think that the "anti gun people" want to take away guns to be "mean and nasty" and all kinds of funny reasons. I'm writing here now because 26 people were killed with legal guns (or, he stole it from his mother). My goal is to reduce the number of deaths - especially children.
It's good to have a cause, but sometimes you have to look at the situation and see if the actions will do any good immediately or if they will only create a good situation 10-20 years down the road. Some places I would imagine it will actually hurt the problem as criminals that do have guns will "KNOW" that legal citizens won't have them and be more cocky... at lest initially. Mentality is huge when facing cowards. As I mentioned before, when interviewed after the shooting, the Aurora, Colorado shooter professed that he chose the theater because he knew there would be no chance of being shot at. That's why the cops found him hiding behind some cars with his guns already on the ground.
Whereas I agree that the US is not directly comparable to say the UK, I do not believe it is so different either. The majority of people in the US are nice, polite, honest people. Reducing the number of guns will also reduce the number of guns available to criminals. And, in any case, criminals who want to rob somebody will do so anyway - either by threatening people before they can get their gun out (or they will steal their gun), or they will shoot the gun owner dead and then rob them.
The majority of people in the US are well educated, but there are more people of the lower education levels here than in Europe. The inner cities here just don't seem to care about their citizens. (Not a fact, just a feeling that is represented through experience with school boards of both outer and inner city school systems.)
I can see some benefits to the "lets have everyone carry a gun" argument, but in a one on one situation, you are screwed anyways. Whereas if you are in a crowded bank and two robbers come in with a gun, the entire bank can pull out. That will stop a robber every time, even if there are one or two people in the crowd that are terrified to the point of paralysis. But I agree that there is no ideal situation where everyone should own guns other than this. People are lazy and careless... get this around billions of people and you are bound to have more problems than you are trying to prevent.
A side story about gun safety. A friend of mine, who I consider the safest person I have ever met around a gun and will actually go too far to qualify for safety in every situation, confessed to me the other day that he was looking at one of his brothers guns. He opened the chamber to check for and see if it was empty. Saw no round in and de-cocked. Apparently, when his brother had been shooting last the gun had a misfire and the round stayed half way in the chamber. When he dropped the gun into the padded case it dislodged the round and shot through the closet and up through the stairwell. Nobody hurt, luckily, but yes people aren't infallible and make mistakes. I get what you are saying.