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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:21 am 
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Wow. There is an update to the article at the bottom from the owner's lawyer that says,

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...Since the date of this incident, Mr. Gutierrez has been fully cooperative with public safety officials, as well as insurance adjusters and the vehicle manufacturer's investigators. In fact, Mr. Gutierrez fully accommodated the precise and somewhat peculiar demands of Fisker Automotive, who sent their self-proclaimed “SWAT Team” of engineers and inspectors (that included their own forensic cause and origin investigator) to the Gutierrez home within 24 hours of the fire. They descended upon the Gutierrez home in alarming numbers and immediately demanded a 24-hour lock-down of his home, including the remains of the Fisker Karma vehicle. They also cordoned off portions of the Gutierrez home with non-transparent tarps to block the view from the public. Fisker even had access to eyewitnesses, who were interviewed by Fisker investigators and those investigators were shown video footage of the Fisker vehicle on fire before and other part of the garage. Mr. Gutierrez accommodated every request with the hope of have a full, fair and open inquiry into the cause of the Fisker vehicle fire that set his house ablaze and endangered his family.

Despite the fact public safety and law enforcement officials have determined Mr. Gutierrez's home and vehicles are not a crime scene, Fisker Automotive released a public statement on May 8, 2012 implying fraud or malicious intent were open questions. The family is stunned by this implication...

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:44 am 
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there is another that is quite interesting, but again interpretation is yours
http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/05/10/fisker-insinuates-customer-blame-karma-fire


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:24 am 
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Careful with what comes out of the NLPC. According to Wikipedia
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National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a front group and industry funded conservative political and policy lobbying organization. NLPC was founded in 1991 by Peter Flaherty and Ken Boehm, who previously worked for "Citizens for Reagan"
. There's tons of info on the net about this extreme rightist organization.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:42 am 
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AP1 wrote:
Careful with what comes out of the NLPC. According to Wikipedia
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National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a front group and industry funded conservative political and policy lobbying organization. NLPC was founded in 1991 by Peter Flaherty and Ken Boehm, who previously worked for "Citizens for Reagan"
. There's tons of info on the net about this extreme rightist organization.


Agreed, but it doesn't take a right wing lobbying organization to know Fisker's statement was not the right response - As a consumer that **REALLY** wants fisker to succeed (and would love to have one myself), it still struck me right off the bat as unjustified finger-pointing.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:48 am 
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AP1 wrote:
Careful with what comes out of the NLPC. According to Wikipedia
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National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a front group and industry funded conservative political and policy lobbying organization. NLPC was founded in 1991 by Peter Flaherty and Ken Boehm, who previously worked for "Citizens for Reagan"
. There's tons of info on the net about this extreme rightist organization.

that is why I said "interpretation is yours"


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:49 pm 
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The statement from the families lawyer would seem to indicate Fisker has pissed them off. Can't say I blame them. Not a good place for Fisker to be here.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Here is an update from Bloomberg this morning:

Fisker Karma Fire in Texas Garage Being Probed by U.S. NHTSA (2)
2012-05-18 20:21:12.982 GMT


(Updates with lawmaker comments on Energy Department funding starting in 12th paragraph.)

By Angela Greiling Keane
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. auto-safety regulators are joining inquiries into a Texas garage fire that destroyed a Fisker Automotive Inc. Karma, a $103,000 plug-in electric vehicle.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration sent investigators to help investigate the cause of the fire at a home in Sugar Land, Texas, that Fisker learned of May 3, Claude Harris, the agency’s director of vehicle safety compliance, said today.
“We are conducting an ongoing field inquiry for an EV incident in Texas,” Harris said at a Transportation Department electric-vehicle safety forum in Washington. “We are still engaged in that activity, and no determination has been made at this time.”
Lynda Tran, an agency spokeswoman, confirmed that the Texas inquiry is of the Fisker fire.
Fisker, based in Anaheim, California, received $529 million in electric-vehicle loans from the U.S. Energy Department to develop the Karma and a proposed second model, the Atlantic. The credit line was frozen last year after the company was late in meeting milestones related to the Karma, which is made in Finland.

‘Routine,’ Fisker Says

Roger Ormisher, a company spokesman, called the inquiry “routine.” The company is working with NHTSA and insurance adjusters to determine the fire’s cause, he said.
“We also understand that the officials looked at other vehicles involved in the fire too,” he said in an e-mailed statement.
“The lithium-ion battery of the Fisker Karma was fully intact after the fire and has been tested and is in full working condition. Currently, the precise ignition source and cause of the garage fire is still to be determined.”
NHTSA’s inquiry is one in a series the agency has done of incidents involving electric vehicles equipped with lithium-ion batteries, Harris said. Others include a fire in North Carolina last year that was determined to not have been caused by the electric car, and an incident in which a General Motors Co.
Chevrolet Volt caught fire three weeks after the agency performed crash tests on it.
Fisker officials said May 8 that the car couldn’t have caused the fire because its battery was intact and wasn’t being charged at the time. The vehicle was purchased after the recall of Karmas with defective battery packs supplied by A123 Systems Inc.

Loan Defended

It made those statements after a Fort Bend County, Texas, fire investigator was quoted by Auto Week, an industry publication, as saying the fire originated with the vehicle.
The Energy Department, whose loan programs are subject to congressional scrutiny, defended its loan to Fisker in a letter today to Republican Senators Charles Grassley of Iowa and John Thune of South Dakota.
The pair had asked the agency last month to respond to questions about the loan to Fisker, which they called “one of the more unusual recipients.” Ford Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co.
and Tesla Motors Inc. also received Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing loans.

Months of Diligence

“Like the due diligence performed on all ATVM applications, the department’s due diligence for the Fisker loan was extensive with rigorous financial, technical, legal and market analysis conducted over many months by DOE’s internal professional staff, including qualified engineers and financial experts and outside experts,” David Frantz, acting executive director of the department’s loan programs office, said in the letter.
Grassley and Thune said the response ignored the questions they posed.
“There’s also a lot of discussion of the due diligence that went into making the loan but no evidence to show what that due diligence actually was,” Grassley said in an e-mailed statement. “I intend to follow up for a more thorough response.”
Representative Andy Harris, a Maryland Republican who is chairman of the House Science Energy and Environment Subcommittee, also sent a letter today to the Energy Department asking for information about its advanced-vehicle spending, including grants given to Ecotality Inc., which installs vehicle-charging infrastructure.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:59 pm 
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Here's one more article on subject with possible cause analysis:
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120511/CARNEWS/120519976

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But if not the battery, then what?
More likely, poor packaging in the engine compartment and exhaust routing generated excess heat. When combined with a fluid leak, that would be enough to create a fire


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Bereisa has driven the Karma and has nosed around the car's inner workings. When he saw the cramped engine compartment of his test car, he was immediately alarmed.
"That engine is shoehorned into that bay, because they had to use a larger engine, because it was too heavy a car. As a result, there's no room for exhaust routing and heat shielding to route the heat away," Bereisa said in an interview.

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