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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:35 am

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ITestStuff wrote:Makes sense to start with a small car.

Tesla questioned that conventional wisdom and so far is the only one with a winner on their hands. Why not an ev impala? With 40 kwh.
Cost? Who is going to buy that very expensive 40 kWh Impala? Surely not the wealthy folks who are purchasing the Tesla S instead of a BMW or Mercedes.

The advantage of a small car is that the lower weight and small cross-sectional area (low drag) means that fewer expensive (and heavy) batteries are needed to give it a reasonable urban-commuter range at an affordable price. It is a reasonable approach, assuming that the manufacturer is serious about making BEVs a success, something that remains an open question for GM.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:27 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:Who is going to buy that very expensive 40 kWh Impala?

Price doesn't seem to be that big an inhibitor to people, I bet there are a lot more takers for a pricey full sized sedan than there are for a micro car. Have you looked at the spark? Seriously. that thing put the E in Tine-EE, other than some high school kids you won't get many takers there. This car is bad for EV adoption, almost as bad as the imev, furthering the golf cart stereotype.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:35 pm

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dgpcolorado wrote:Who is going to buy that very expensive 40 kWh Impala?

Price doesn't seem to be that big an inhibitor to people, I bet there are a lot more takers for a pricey full sized sedan than there are for a micro car. Have you looked at the spark? Seriously. that thing put the E in Tine-EE, other than some high school kids you won't get many takers there. This car is bad for EV adoption, almost as bad as the imev, furthering the golf cart stereotype.
You may be right but it seems there may be some other things to think about.
a) USA slant/perspective tho?
b) I have a friend that drives a mini-cooper because it is fun and likes the performance (a little go-kart-ish).

BTW, they put the SPORT button near the shifter on the SPARK EV and it is not a "mode" (hold,normal,mtn). Rumor is that it does more than remap the "normal" pedal to be more aggressive in the early foot pressure/travel. (By comparison remember in the Volt the SPORT and NORMAL are the same if you push it to the floor).
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:53 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:The advantage of a small car is that the lower weight and small cross-sectional area (low drag) means that fewer expensive (and heavy) batteries are needed to give it a reasonable urban-commuter range at an affordable price.

Just too many me-too cars chasing a very small compliance EV market. Even the definitely not me-too RAV4EV has problems selling.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:37 pm

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dgpcolorado wrote:Who is going to buy that very expensive 40 kWh Impala?
Price doesn't seem to be that big an inhibitor to people, I bet there are a lot more takers for a pricey full sized sedan than there are for a micro car. Have you looked at the spark? Seriously. that thing put the E in Tine-EE, other than some high school kids you won't get many takers there. This car is bad for EV adoption, almost as bad as the imev, furthering the golf cart stereotype.
No, it isn't as if I would EVER see a Spark around here. I do like the roominess of the LEAF but if a Spark-type vehicle were significantly cheaper for the range I would have considered it (I used to drive a '73 Honda Civic, so I do know tiny and "tinny"). And the subcompact Honda Fit-EV compliance car is reported to have quite good performance.

One of the things I didn't like about the Volt after driving it for several hours was how cramped it felt and how awkward it was to get in and out of (I am fairly tall). Getting back into my LEAF was a relief. So, I may have been spoiled by driving somewhat more spacious cars over the years, but price does matter to me because I am on a fairly tight budget. Not everyone can afford $40k or $50k for a car like your "40 kWh Impala". (Nevermind the $85k Tesla S land yacht that wouldn't even fit in my garage.)
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:13 pm

Here in the East Bay I'm averaging just under 1 Spark sighting per day, and it's not kids driving them. Recently I've been seeing Sparks more frequently than I see Leafs or Volts (yesterday I saw, or perhaps more accurately recognized, only my second FFE). So there's definitely a market here, and the only question is whether the EV version will be taken to as eagerly in the bay area as the Leaf S, 500e and HFE (since the lease price reductions). Except in San Francisco with its atrocious parking and relatively large number of public charging spots, I have my doubts about the commercial viability of the Smart ED outside of car-sharing.
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:50 am

New 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV At Select Dealerships Now

http://insideevs.com/new-2014-chevrolet ... ships-now/
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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:35 pm

CR seems to like it.

First drive: The Chevrolet Spark EV shocks us:
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/first-drive ... 22460.html

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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:48 pm

cwerdna wrote:CR seems to like it.
First drive: The Chevrolet Spark EV shocks us:
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/first-drive ... 22460.html

FYI, the "Sport" mode is now a separate button (just below the shifter near traction control) and works independent of Drive/Low(max-regen). It is supposed to work differently than the Volt's "sport" mode which just remaps the pedal to be more aggressive earlier in the throw. Pushed to the floor the Volt's "sport" mode is the same as "normal". Not sure how the Spark's is different.
The shifter has two modes: "Drive" works like a conventional automatic transmission without aggressive regenerative braking. "Low" maximizes regenerative braking and slows the car down as soon as you lift off the accelerator.

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Re: Chevrolet to Produce Spark EV All-Electric Vehicle

Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:00 pm

The high torque motor in the Spark is revolutionary. It gives great performance and much more efficiency at higher speeds. We'll see all the EV makers adopt the approach. If the Leaf has the technology in the Spark we'd be getting more range and the Leaf would be much more responsive.

On the Spark EV being better than the gas equivalents, I suspect the same will be true of the Fiat 500e. These smaller cars are made for EV drive trains.

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