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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm 
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Let us make an official Volt thread.

News from yesterday is that GM plans to make 10K Volts in 2011 and 30K in 2012. That compares to 50K worldwide figures Nissan had projected for Leaf. So, for 2011 & 2012, Leaf will probably outsell Volt in US.

This year is another matter. I think GM will probably deliver more cars than Nissan.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en ... volt_recap

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DiSalle confirmed plans to produce 10,000 Volts by the end of the 2011 calendar year, and an additional 30,000 Volts during the 2012 calendar year.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:47 pm 
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evnow wrote:
This year is another matter. I think GM will probably deliver more cars than Nissan.

How do you conclude that based on the limited info from the article ? (We are talking 2010 ... six months to go.)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:34 am 
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evnow wrote:
This year is another matter. I think GM will probably deliver more cars than Nissan.

How do you conclude that based on the limited info from the article ? (We are talking 2010 ... six months to go.)

It's not only the information that is limited, but also the supply. Call me a pessimist, but I don't think there is a chance I can get either one of them this year. There are two arguments for what evnow suggested, though. (a) Unless I am mistaken, GM is saying they will start deliveries in November, while Nissan is saying December. (b) GM only has to ship from Detroit to .. er .. Detroit for one of their initial markets, while Nissan has to ship from Japan to California.

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i dont see how GM could possibly out do Nissan this year or any other year for that matter. the Volt is obviously a backburner project until they can figure out something better. their lack of confidence in the product is alarming.

i like Nissan's "all in" approach. that tells me a lot about the quality and the long term development of the Leaf. they truly believe in their product and it shows

gm is acting way too hesitant for me to have any faith in the Volt

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:54 am 
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evnow wrote:
This year is another matter. I think GM will probably deliver more cars than Nissan.

How do you conclude that based on the limited info from the article ? (We are talking 2010 ... six months to go.)


Ofcourse, we can't be sure - thats the reason for my statement with "guess" and "probably" :)

As planet4ever also said, it all comes down to how much can be produced and delivered this year. We now have two separate sources that indicate very low # of delivered Leafs this year. The dealer I quoted and the electrician who did the assessment (he said something about delivery starting on Dec 22 !).

If Volt does deliver starting September - and since they sell only in US - there is a good chance they will sell more.

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evnow wrote:
If Volt does deliver starting September - and since they sell only in US - there is a good chance they will sell more.

I hadn't heard September ... must be "selectively deaf" :lol: Is GM scared of Nissan ? Have they expedited/pulled-in the dates ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:35 am 
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LEAFer wrote:
evnow wrote:
This year is another matter. I think GM will probably deliver more cars than Nissan.

How do you conclude that based on the limited info from the article ? (We are talking 2010 ... six months to go.)


Ofcourse, we can't be sure - thats the reason for my statement with "guess" and "probably" :)

As planet4ever also said, it all comes down to how much can be produced and delivered this year. We now have two separate sources that indicate very low # of delivered Leafs this year. The dealer I quoted and the electrician who did the assessment (he said something about delivery starting on Dec 22 !).

If Volt does deliver starting September - and since they sell only in US - there is a good chance they will sell more.


sounds like there is no chance. 11,000 for 2011 and 30,000 in 2012?? Nissan will be selling that much every 2 months!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:03 am 
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DaveinOlyWA wrote:
sounds like there is no chance. 11,000 for 2011 and 30,000 in 2012?? Nissan will be selling that much every 2 months!


Dave, I'm talking only about this year.

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Chevrolet Volt Freedom Drive and GM IPO Update
http://gm-volt.com/2010/07/03/chevrolet ... po-update/

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The Volt is travelling from Texas to New York City on a 1776 mile freedom drive eventually arriving in NYC on July 4th for the Macy’s fireworks celebration.


I don't get this. Why is this a "freedom drive" ? They are going to use only 200 miles of electric driving (nominal) and rest of 1700 miles of gas. That is just 12% "free" driving.

Initially after independence - even in 18th century - we had more than 12% of people eligible to vote. (from wiki : even though less than 1.3% of the population voted in the first presidential election: the 1790 Census would count a total population of 3.0 million with a free population of 2.4 million and 600,000 slaves in those states casting electoral votes in this election.)

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Sigh. Marketing over substance. It's the same hubris that allows them to point with one hand to the EV1 and to a PHEV with the other to show how they're the 'leader' in EVs.

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