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PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:06 am

It's a massive generalization, I know, but I've been paying a lot of attention to the way PHEV drivers use the HOV lane of late and my impression is...they're pretty obnoxious as a whole. And the very worst seem to be those drivers with vehicles that have minimal AER. Meaning number one on the list as a group are PIP drivers. I don't know about drivers of the (equally limited AER) Honda Accord PHEV...I'm not sure I've ever seen one.

Next on my list are drivers of any of the two Ford PHEVs, with C-Max Energi drivers for some reason being more so than the Fusion drivers. Though that could be just on numbers, since I see way more of the one than the other.

Volt drivers, on the other hand, are pretty good. And, no, I'm not just saying that because we own one!

I have a theory - when you have such pitiful AER there is little incentive to try and save energy, other than boosting your MPG a bit. And so they don't try. In fact, I'm pretty sure most PHEV drivers, especially those who bought the Prius and Accord (if anyone actually did buy the Accord), just did it specifically so they could get up my chuff as I pootle along at 70MPH. Not that I intend to speed up. Or get over, since I'm already going faster than cars in the regular lanes.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:09 am

I totally concur! And they are likewise at the charging stations...

mwalsh wrote:It's a massive generalization, I know, but I've been paying a lot of attention to the way PHEV drivers use the HOV lane of late and my impression is...they're pretty obnoxious as a whole.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:39 am

70 is pootling? :shock: let 'em wait. You'll just have to control their speed too.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:42 am

Guy at my work has a PIP. Never uses the L2 here. Tells me it's just to up his mpg. +1 for your theory.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:35 pm

Oddly, about 5 years ago I was joking around about this... I made an offhand generalized claim that "entitled" drivers (something we all might land in at some point :) used to be BMW drivers, then they moved to the Prius, and as you point out, it's now the low hanging fruit of taking a PHEV hauling ass in the HOV lane. This holiday season I've made a vow to leave early, not rush, and to just let people go first in front of me if they are being impatient... Charming effect on my sense of well being... That said,

Won't work in the HOV lane, however...

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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:56 pm

In my opinion, the minimum AER (all electric range), as rated by the EPA, should be at least 25 miles or so for solo HOV lane access. Because any PHEV with less AER than that is almost certainly burning gasoline while in the HOV lane. We need to raise the bar.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:21 pm

abasile wrote:In my opinion, the minimum AER (all electric range), as rated by the EPA, should be at least 25 miles or so for solo HOV lane access. Because any PHEV with less AER than that is almost certainly burning gasoline while in the HOV lane. We need to raise the bar.


+1.

There was an interesting article in the OC Register this last week:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/carp ... -lane.html
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:43 pm

mwalsh wrote:
abasile wrote:In my opinion, the minimum AER (all electric range), as rated by the EPA, should be at least 25 miles or so for solo HOV lane access. Because any PHEV with less AER than that is almost certainly burning gasoline while in the HOV lane. We need to raise the bar.


+1.

There was an interesting article in the OC Register this last week:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/carp ... -lane.html


The feds offer four solutions: increase the occupancy requirement, increase tolls on HOV lanes, kick out clean-air vehicles with solo drivers or build more lanes.


The origin of HOV was to get cars off the road, less traffic, less pollution. So, no solo drivers of any type, or better, only non-solo ZEVs. Of course, they're probably addicted to the toll revenue stream, that would be the hardest thing to give up.
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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:48 pm

I never noticed the car pool lane thing as it relates to the plug in Prius. However I did covertly watch a PiP driver leave a little note under my wiper blade, at work.
(btw our paid "charging at work" rules state there is no requirement to move a car that is no longer actively charging. The rationale is it may take away from work - as some people would have to travel quite a bit of distance to undergo the "unplug and remove car" objective ... and so our workplace Chargepoint EVSE's only bill us for actual kWh's drawn - rather than actual hookup time)
In short - the pre written / printed note told me I should not be there unless I'm actively charging. By choice I start at 5 a.m. - specifically so I always have an empty charge spot available. After all - no one in their right mind would willingly wake up at 3:30 a.m. unless they wanted to assure their parking stall ;) by noon - all workplace charged spots are full.

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I have to admit - it kind of made me smirk, thinking someone with an alternate fuel source - who can easily get home w/out electricity is bugged with me always being in "their" way.


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Re: PHEV drivers. Generally, pretty obnoxious

Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:49 pm

So, who deleted my on-topic post in this topic?
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