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Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:41 am
by edatoakrun
Sounds like Jaguar has no desire to displace the Tesla S on this list as the most expensive car to insure...

https://247wallst.com/special-report/20 ... -insure/6/

Jaguar I-Pace SVR would prioritise handling, not 0-60mph time

...With rumours of an I-Pace SVR – and even a special limited-edition ‘Project’ car – gathering momentum, product planning boss Hanno Kirner conceded that teams within the firm had already worked through potential credentials for such cars.

“We have asked ourselves how you would ‘SVR’ an electric car,” said Kirner. “Yes, we can make it do 0-60mph in 1.8sec. It’s a good headline, but once you’ve done it once or twice, and lost your eyes in the back of their sockets, you might not want to do it again.”

Kirner highlighted the I-Pace’s 50/50 weight distribution and dynamic set-up in standard form as indications of what could be possible with the car. He also suggested that technical enhancements from current SVR vehicles could be applied in the same way to the I-Pace but also cautioned that an electric powertrain would need to be treated with respect.

“You also have to make sure you can’t go too fast,” he said. “I do worry that the instant torque and performance might be too much for untrained drivers. It may be that we have to impose some kind of restriction, so that the performance is limited until they have gone on a driving course or something.”...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... 60mph-time

As a LEAF driver who has never even done a full-throttle launch to 60 mph in my over seven years of driving, I doubt I'll be interested in an SVR anyway.

I repeat that I'd like a lightweight sport version of the I-PACE, using a lower capacity battery pack along with the previously announced low-output motors, optimized for handling on mountain roads.

And particularly so if Jaguar could cut the price by ~$10 k or so for this version...

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:49 pm
by edatoakrun
From my first post (before the model name was finalized) on the announcement to scheduled deliveries, looks like Jaguar is still right on its ambitious schedule:

edatoakrun wrote:Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:01 am

...The amount of detail in the AC story below may indicate Jaguar's first entry in the luxury BESUV market really will be available in dealerships in only ~two years.

Jaguar E-Pace compact SUV will be Jaguar's first EV

Low-roofed, performance oriented electric E-Pace is set to go on sale in 2018; will use Formula E honed tech


Jaguar has been given the green light to launch a compact all-electric SUV by 2018, putting it ahead of its Range Rover sister brand in the race to get a battery-powered vehicle into showrooms...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-c ... s-first-ev

Looks like euro deliveries will begin in early September.

First USA delivery date I've seen, as posted on the Tesla forum:

Order # 1454xxxx
Order Date 6/1/18
Last Amendment Possible 6/15/18
Build Date 7/13/18
Delivery Date 9/21/18
Accepted Handover 9/26/18
Planned Handover 9/26/18...

I'm not cancelling my Model 3 reservation, but it will be interesting to see which one is available sooner.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 72/page-39

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:21 pm

By the time December 2018 rolls around and this car is nowhere in sight will anyone even remember this announcement?

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:43 pm
by SageBrush
Jaguar has been given the green light to launch a compact all-electric SUV by 2018

What year is it, Ed ?
Give your best guess -- how many will be produced in the 12 months after delivery #1 ?

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:02 pm
by edatoakrun
Embargo lifted, Most reviews seem quite positive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L61--SE04A

...the best electric car on sale today."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_nKDzV7MI
"...0 to 100 KPH in 4.7 seconds...0 to 100 mph in 10.99 seconds"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqtNHuFq5k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHkv5Q8_-44

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:11 am
by finman100
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2019-jaguar-i-pace-review-london-to-berlin-electric-jag/

oh, but road trip public charging sucks. too bad. I wonder if there's someone else working on that? Well, at least ya get 230 miles out of a 90 kWh battery.

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:23 pm
by smkettner
Not sure how to read that.... 240 miles seems low for 90kWh. Although I don't think the EPA rating is final yet.

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:53 pm
by GRA
smkettner wrote:Not sure how to read that.... 240 miles seems low for 90kWh. Although I don't think the EPA rating is final yet.

Regardless of what the EPA rating is compared to WLTP, anything much under 270 miles is poor for a 90kWh battery. Maybe they're limiting the SoC range.

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:07 pm
by edatoakrun
smkettner wrote:Not sure how to read that.... 240 miles seems low for 90kWh. Although I don't think the EPA rating is final yet.

It's not.

WLTP ranges are 260 miles and 298 miles respectively, for the two different versions, but I'm not sure how each are equipped:

http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/search-ne ... -cars.aspx

Because base USA spec cars have Active Air Suspension (an option in UK, increasing efficiency) but also have 22' wheels as an additional option (not available in UK, decreasing efficiency) the actual ranges for us spec will vary slightly from UK models.

Jaguar may do what most other manufacturers seem to do on their EPA applications-test the most efficient variation to advertise the highest range...

EPA as compared with WLTP ranges for other BEVs have varied from about the same for WLTP and EPA (Bolt) to significantly lower on the EPA than WLTP (2018 LEAF).

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:51 am
by edatoakrun
Glad to see Jaguar gets it, that it is stupid to limit BEVs to a single axle for drive and regen.

Within a few years, I expect 2WD will be limited to only the cheapest of entry-level BEVs.

Comments re superior cooling also indicate that Jaguar may soon be showing the I-PACE humiliating much higher-priced Tesla's on the track, as well as off-pavement, in the near future.

Jaguar Land Rover electric cars to go only AWD

The pioneering Jaguar I-Pace will be the first in a long line of battery-powered Jag- and Land Rover-badged vehicles to send their drive to all four, and not just two, wheels, the carmaker says.

While some electric vehicles including the BMW i3, Nissan’s Leaf and early Tesla models have opted for just one driven axle, Jaguar says an EV must have all-wheel drive if it’s serious about performance, dynamics, practicality and efficiency...

According to the veteran electronics engineer, numerous areas of pure electric vehicle performance suffer as a result of just one driven axle, including traction, stability, cabin space, regenerative braking and vehicle handling.

Walking around the I-Pace, Ziebart said the EV’s near three-metre wheelbase, which boosts interior space, was only made possible by the two-motor solution – an advantage the original Tesla Model S could not brag...

“If you accelerate, the rear motor is the better motor. If you want to recuperate, the front motor is the one. We can recuperate up to 150kW, but if you only do it on the rear axle you are limited to about 60kW.

“If you recover (only) from the front, any longitudinal force you apply reduces your available side force. This then makes the car unstable.”...

Ziebart said the Jaguar’s construction and engineering was superior to the US startup company’s offerings in other areas as well, including the massive battery that is key to range and performance.

“We can draw instantly 300kW out of that which brings the current up to 1200 amps,” he said. “That’s not a problem.”

“The Tesla has a disadvantage as the battery cooling is so poor,” he said...

“What we have seen on the Nurburgring, the Tesla degrades rather quickly whereas this car runs the full lap.”

Tesla refutes Ziebart's claim that its battery cooling is inferior, but the real EV battle starts this October when Jaguar’s I-Pace arrives on Australian dirt and bumps gloves with the larger but identically priced Model X SUV.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/jaguar ... o-only-awd

The full review references both track and off-pavement testing, BTW.

Jaguar storms into the electric vehicle arena with an impossibly complete first attempt

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/201 ... ace-review

Re: Jaguar I-PACE BESUV available 2018

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:47 pm
by GRA
Sounds nice to drive although I don't care for the looks, and the cargo space seems compromised for a CUV. But I'm all for competition, and at least it doesn't have gimmick doors that eliminate much of the utility, while upping the price and weight and lowering the long-term reliability.