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edatoakrun

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Not bad looking, IMO.

More importantly to me, it looks like the aerodynamics will allow m/kWh at freeway speeds superior to the LEAF, and far superior to the KIA Soul.

I'll be interested in the BEV version, assuming it has (at least) the Soul's 30+ kWh pack.

Moderators: Official thread?

Hyundai’s new eco-car, the Ioniq, was recently spotted at a commercial shoot in southern California.

The Ioniq, set to debut in South Korea next month, has not been shown in public.

The sedan stays true to a recent rendering with a sloping roofline and a raised rear deck, which hints at a hatchback-like profile.

Featuring a striking gloss-black hexagonal grill, the Ioniq follows much of Hyundai’s current design language.

The Ioniq will offer a choice of three electrified powertrains: a hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric vehicle...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20151221/OEM04/151229986/hyundai-ioniq-spied-at-shoot-in-california

Gallery:

http://www.autonews.com/gallery/20151221/PHOTOS01/122109999/6&Profile=1275
 
I am very excited about this car. Our friends have new Elantras and Sonatas and they are very nice cars. I have really enjoyed my LEAF ownership experience but would like my next EV to have three things including 1) better looks (the Ioniq delivers there), 2) more range and 3 ) less battery degradation. I don't expect Hyundai to disappoint, so the Ioniq may be my next EV.
 
Sure sounds like Hyundai may be planning to move beyond compliance levels of BEV production:

Hyundai: Ioniq highway mpg to top Prius

...The Ioniq, which sports a one-motor, one-clutch setup, will deliver better highway fuel economy than the Prius, the world's best-selling hybrid, said Yang Woong-chul, Hyundai's global r&d chief.

The car, which will be launched this month, offers one body type with three electrified drivetrain options: a traditional hybrid, a plug-in hybrid and an all-electric variant...

"Our hybrid is a better fit for American driving situations," Yang told Automotive News here near Hyundai's r&d center. "When it is announced, the whole world will be surprised."

Globally, the regular hybrid is expected to be the Ioniq's top-selling version, Yang said. The other drivetrains will trail, with the plug-in hybrid likely to sell better than the EV in Europe, while the EV is projected to outsell the plug-in hybrid in the U.S., he said...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160104/OEM05/301049996/hyundai-ioniq-highway-mpg-to-top-prius
 
Given South Korea's interest in keeping things "in the family", I'll place money the battery manufacturer will be LG, possibly Samsung. While I was in South Korea, the only things I saw that were American-made were the American Standard toilets. Seriously.
 
aarond12 said:
Given South Korea's interest in keeping things "in the family", I'll place money the battery manufacturer will be LG, possibly Samsung. While I was in South Korea, the only things I saw that were American-made were the American Standard toilets. Seriously.
Click the link.

Already been announced:

...All three versions of the Ioniq will use lithium polymer batteries made by South Korean supplier LG Chem, Yang said. The polymer structure is safer than the traditional lithium ion batteries used by some rivals, Yang said...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160104/OEM05/301049996/hyundai-ioniq-highway-mpg-to-top-prius
 
It doesn't look like Hyundai is tiring of releasing teasers for its upcoming Ioniq electrified vehicle. It's already released three batches of 'em, and now here's more – plus powertrain details...
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/07/hyundai-ioniq-images-hybrid-powertrain-details/#slide-3760655

A few new images in the gallery, but nothing more on the BEV specs.
 
While not an ugly car, the proportions make it look way too much like a Chevy Volt.

aarond12 said:
Given South Korea's interest in keeping things "in the family", I'll place money the battery manufacturer will be LG, possibly Samsung. While I was in South Korea, the only things I saw that were American-made were the American Standard toilets. Seriously.

I was in Seoul a few months ago and I saw several American-made cars. Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee and the current-gen Ford Explorer were the most noticeable of the American imports.
 
I like it a lot and I like the history Hyundai has with deep discounts on clear outs and cheap financing too!

I'd be happy with it if it used the same battery as the soul, with 27kWh and a shape like that I bet it will outperform the 30kWh leaf, especially in winter time when aero is way more important.
 
Sounds like you'll be able to buy an Ioniq BEV before you can buy a Bolt.

In contrast with GM, Hyundai is still keeping awfully quiet about this BEV.

Hyundai will launch hybrid and all-electric versions of its five-door hatchback in the third quarter, said Dave Zuchowski, CEO of Hyundai Motor America...

Hyundai has not disclosed the range or power output of the EV...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160117/OEM04/301189993/hyundai-expect-ioniq-hybrid-in-q3

MT reporting a claim of 0.24 drag coefficient, far superior to LEAF, Bolt, or Soul (and matching the Tesla S) and it looks like the (relatively) low stance should mean further improvements in lowering frontal area and drag.

So I'd expect the Ioniq will probably have the highest freeway m/kWh of any BEV sold in the USA.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-hyundai-sonata-prototype-reveals-more-front-end-details-394963/
 
minispeed said:
...I'd be happy with it if it used the same battery as the soul, with 27kWh and a shape like that I bet it will outperform the 30kWh leaf, especially in winter time when aero is way more important.
Actually, the Soul pack tested to average ~30.5 kWh:

http://avt.inel.gov/pdf/fsev/batterySoul1920.pdf

I hope the Ioniq will have ~ the same capacity as the Soul, but in a more dense configuration.

The main mystery at this point, is where are they going to put the battery pack?

Reports (perhaps referring only to the PHEV?) say under the rear seat, but it might be tough to fit even ~30 kWh in that space.

I will be even more interested in the weight of the pack, and total vehicle weight.

If Hyundai uses LG cells with ~same density as GM has claimed for the Bolt, and doesn't weigh it down (and inflate the cost) by using an oversized pack, it could have a curb weight of close to 3,000 lbs.

Meaning it could come close to matching the much smaller i-3 for city/mountain efficiency, and actually be fun to drive.
 
More details on the hybrid version from the official Korean intro, Still no details on the EV drivetrain.

But it already sounds like the Ioniq's gadgetry may surpass all other mass-market BEVs, when available for sale this Fall:

...Inside, the Ioniq is also designed to appeal to modern car buyers, as it features a number of comfort, convenience, safety and connectivity features, including Apple CarPlay and Android Auto; there’s also a 7-inch TFT information cluster, which is designed to bring a high-tech appearance to the cockpit, displaying a range of digital gauges in high resolution, including a number of hybrid-specific displays...

Hyundai is also focusing on including a number of future-focused active and passive safety features, including Autonomous Emergency Brake, Lane Keeping Assist System, Lane Departure Warning System, and Blind Spot Detection with Rear Cross Traffic Alert to provide guidance to avoid any accident...
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/636030/Hyundai-Ioniq-hybrid-unveiled

...The Korean firm claims the outside has been primarily designed to offer "class-leading aerodynamic performance", thanks to the slippery shape and details such as moving flaps in the front grille that direct airflow around the car...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/93797/hyundai-ioniq-2016-new-hybrid-revealed-in-korea
 
155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.

...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyundai/ix35-fuel-cell/first-drives/2016-hyundai-ioniq-hev-review
 
edatoakrun said:
155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.

...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyundai/ix35-fuel-cell/first-drives/2016-hyundai-ioniq-hev-review


The 2016 UK leaf gets 155 miles on their cycle and 107 on the EPA. The soul gets 132 euro miles vs 97 EPA.

It could very well be the same pack as the soul just put into different spaces. It should be easy to get 155 euro in an aero package. I would also suspect the EPA to be about 115+ with that same size battery.
 
minispeed said:
edatoakrun said:
155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.

...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyundai/ix35-fuel-cell/first-drives/2016-hyundai-ioniq-hev-review


The 2016 UK leaf gets 155 miles on their cycle and 107 on the EPA. The soul gets 132 euro miles vs 97 EPA.

It could very well be the same pack as the soul just put into different spaces. It should be easy to get 155 euro in an aero package...
It's a mystery to me why the Soul has so much shorter range than the LEAF on the NEDC standard, but I expect some of the reduction in efficiency is due to energy consumption by the Soul's ATM, over the long period of time the low-speed test cycle takes.

Looks to me that the NEDC cycle is so optimistic in comparison to the EPA, mostly because of its heavy bias to very low-speed driving, in which aero resistance should play a relatively minor role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle

I think any improvement in range of the Ioniq EV over the Soul EV on the NEDC could be slight, if it actually carries the Soul drivetrain.

The Aero benefits might be significantly outweighed (literally) if the Ioniq is heavier that the (smaller?) Soul.

On the other hand, I hope Hyundai succeeds in making the Ioniq EV significantly lighter than the Soul EV, which could bring range benefits in the NEDC (with its frequent acceleration/deceleration) standard.

So, I think that an Ioniq equipped with the Soul EV drivetrainjust might get 155 miles on the NEDC standard, and interest me, if it turns out to be a low-weight, efficient, affordable, and fun to drive vehicle for mountain/rural BEV drivers like myself, who already actually get ~NEDC range with their LEAFs, due to low speed driving and efficient recovery of ascent energy during descents.
 
More details on the Korean intro.

Very close in size to the LEAF, except 100 mm lower.

Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?

SEOUL, Feb. 18 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's top automaker Hyundai Motor Co. said Thursday that it will launch the Ioniq Electric, a pure electric vehicle model based on its own production platform, in June.

...the Ioniq Electric can travel more than 169 kilometers (~105 miles) on a single battery charge, the longest among electric cars being sold in Korea...

The Ioniq Electric is 4,470 mm long, 1,820 mm wide and 1,450 mm high, with its wheelbase measuring 2,700 mm...

Hyundai Motor aims to sell 4,000 units of the Ioniq Electric this year...
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2016/02/18/0200000000AEN20160218006100320.html?19f88700
 
edatoakrun said:
Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?

Not what I was hoping for - definitely doesn't sound like 150 mile EPA ... atleast it will be bigger than Bolt ?
 
evnow said:
edatoakrun said:
Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?

Not what I was hoping for - definitely doesn't sound like 150 mile EPA ... atleast it will be bigger than Bolt ?

Wheelbase
2,601 mm (102.4 in)

Length
4,166 mm (164.0 in)

Width
1,765 mm (69.5 in)

Height
1,595 mm (62.8 in)

Curb weight
1,624 kg (3,580 lb)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Bolt

I really think you could call all three members of the LEAF class, validating Nissan's ~2010 introduction of the mass-market BEV.

You can think of the Bolt as a shorter, heavier version of LEAF with slightly worse aero resistance, and the Ionic as a lower lighter (?) one, almost certainly with less aero resistance. Each also have different loads on the batteries, required by the differing battery pack thermal management systems, different drivetrain and regen efficiencies etc.

So, each will have AC/DC m/kWh efficiency variations from the LEAF, depending on what type of driving you do.

I am growing increasingly impatient for a higher efficiency alternative to a BEV this large.

Only a small minority of drivers need a five door five seat BEV every day.

In over 90% of my trips, I waste a huge amount of kWh, and have my range between recharges unnecessarily reduced, simply because I am hauling around a lot of empty space in my LEAF.
 
ievs article:
Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles Real Range
http://insideevs.com/hyundai-ioniq-has-a-28-kwh-battery-105-miles-real-range/

Not so long ago we heard from Europe that the Hyundai IONIQ could have up to 155 miles/250 km of range, not so long ago we heard from Hyundai that this next generation of all-electric vehicle would be special.

As it turns out, the Hyundai Electric (new name) is neither of those things…and we are more than a bit disappointed. . . .
 
GRA said:
ievs article:
Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles Real Range
http://insideevs.com/hyundai-ioniq-has-a-28-kwh-battery-105-miles-real-range/. . . .
Kia still specs 27 kWh for the Soul, when the actual capacity is ~30.5 kWh, so I wouldn't be surprised if 28 kWh turns out not to be correct.

The hybrid version is reported below to have a curb weight of only 3,042 lbs, only ~32 lbs heavier than the smaller Prius.

Without all the dead-weight required by the ICE, and with a (presumably) high density LG pack, the Ioniq BEV might not weigh much more than that.

The light weight, combined with it's aero advantages, might give m/kWh efficiency results for the Ioniq BEV comparable to the current BEV champion, the much-smaller BMW i-3.

SEOUL -- Hyundai Motor Co. aims to beat the Toyota Prius at its own game with the new Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, the Korean brand's first dedicated hybrid.

The Ioniq not only targets Prius-like fuel economy, it edges the world's best-selling hybrid on power, performance and size. Its styling is also arguably less polarizing...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160221/OEM05/302229995/hyundai-ioniq-targets-prius-but-not-in-sales
 
Not so long ago we heard from Europe that the Hyundai IONIQ could have up to 155 miles/250 km of range, not so long ago we heard from Hyundai that this next generation of all-electric vehicle would be special.

As it turns out, the Hyundai Electric (new name) is neither of those things…and we are more than a bit disappointed. . . .
Indeed.

I was thinking if Ioniq had 150 miles of range, I'd prefer that over Bolt, for eg. Not to be. It is just Soul EV in a newer body.

For 2016/17 it is a Fail. Too Little Too Late.

Afterall they are trying to answer Prius after nearly 2 decades - so shouldn't be surprising. OTOH, they should be able to get good deals from LG, so it is surprising.

Anyone have any insights on the relationship among various chaebols of Korea ?
 
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