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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 6:12 pm

Reminder, heavy discounting still seems to be going on in Nor Cal and probably elsewhere.

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On one Bolt FB group I'm on, one guy couldn't find any good deals in his area so he ended up buying sight unseen from out of state, I think the East Coast instead of flying over there and driving it back (would've been quite a road trip). He earlier had inquired about road tripping and charging along the way.

Looks like someone on my street got one. Saw one w/the new CA temp plates on their driveway the other day. They have an e-Golf now. Not sure if it's leased and near end of lease. Just on my portion of the street, these folks have Bolts now: me, my next door neighbor, that person across and over a house, and another guy two doors down from me.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 6:27 pm

webeleafowners wrote:Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.


You had mentioned the prevalence of Chademo stations over CCS in your region. Between that and no heat pump available in the Bolt, the ePlus may actually have better Winter 'trip-ability'...
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 6:45 pm

webeleafowners wrote:Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.

You guys have a weird situation up there on those cars, at least from a Nor Cal POV.

I'm sure one can easily walk into a Nissan dealer in the SF Bay Area and pick up a Leaf Plus. Fremont Chevy's inventory is way down at around 60 vs. when I bought mine. Around the time I bought mine, at one point, they allegedly had over 200 (per dealer's inventory pages).

And, it sounded like you guys could get some newer HyunKia BEVs while they were rare in the US and heavily marked up.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 7:41 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.


You had mentioned the prevalence of Chademo stations over CCS in your region. Between that and no heat pump available in the Bolt, the ePlus may actually have better Winter 'trip-ability'...


If I portrayed a prevalence of Chademo over CCS I misled you and apologize. There is a Prevalence of Chademo and CCS over Tesla Supercharger locations...probably 10 to 1. But Chademo and CCS are pretty equal as the goverment who is one of the key station installers (we are a socialist province) supports Chademo and CCS equally.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Thu May 30, 2019 7:45 pm

cwerdna wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.

You guys have a weird situation up there on those cars, at least from a Nor Cal POV.

I'm sure one can easily walk into a Nissan dealer in the SF Bay Area and pick up a Leaf Plus. Fremont Chevy's inventory is way down at around 60 vs. when I bought mine. Around the time I bought mine, at one point, they allegedly had over 200 (per dealer's inventory pages).

And, it sounded like you guys could get some newer HyunKia BEVs while they were rare in the US and heavily marked up.


Yah I agree, kind of a weird provincial inventory or demand. Honestly I think it is partly a screw up on Nissan’s part in calculating provincial demand. Our dealer is allotted 15 or so per month, every one which is presold for the next 6 months. I don’t know the mix between standard and Eplus. EV sales are estimated at 7 percent of all auto sales right now. Our Tesla Rep said that a few weeks ago they had 800 model 3 orders in one week. Wow. We couldnt make a model 3 work for our needs but what a nice car. Maybe a model Y.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri May 31, 2019 7:27 am

webeleafowners wrote:Interesting phenomenon happening here with Bolt. There are zero new Nissan Leafs for sale on Autotrader in BC. There are 235 Chevy bolts. The entire inventory of Leafs cleaned out in about two weeks when the federal incentive came out last month. The bolts dropped by about 60 initially but seem to be levelling out. We ordered a Leaf Eplus and won’t see it till the new year. Tesla is seeing 600 to 800 orders per week. I’m not sure why the Bolt is dragging it’s feet here.


From perusing the several hundred (its seems) EV groups I am a member of, it would appear that the Winter range hit on the Bolt AND the QC slowdown of cold batteries takes a much greater toll on the Bolt than other EVs.

As far as cold weather QCing, I noticed when the pack is cold, the charge still starts at full speed but the knee happens at a lower SOC. This results in finishing a charge frequently with pack in the 70's (which is still lower than optimum) My testing revealed I had to start a charge with SOC lower than 10% to hit 90º when pack temp started in the low to mid 50's.

This means even with RapidGate, the 2nd charge is always going to be near full speed. Although the knee happens sooner, the rest of the charge curve has a somewhat flatter slope. I have yet to determine what the actual time difference is to hit various SOC targets but guessing it wouldn't be more than a few minutes.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:46 am

Today, I had to go on a long drive (ended up being 208 miles) and it was very hot in the Bay Area. I saw my car's outside air temp indicator get as high at 106 F. Today, my city supposedly got to 100 F.

During part of my long drive, on on the Bolt's screens, where it shows you what % of battery was (so far since last "full" charge) was used for driving and accessories vs. climate settings vs. battery conditioning), I saw battery conditioning go to 1% and then 2% during the hot afternoon.

Also, tonight, even though I didn't need it to make it home, I decided to take a detour on my return home and try one of the very few free DC FCs. I'd never been to that location nor city before. Was also my 1st time personally starting and plugging in SAE Combo. (I don't normally ever go to that area and rarely that direction besides the DC charger being 50 miles from home.)

It unfortunately was one of https://www.chargepoint.com/products/commercial/cpe100/ (24 kW max), but I knew that ahead of time. The unit is goofy in that even though SoC was fairly low at the start (37%), I was only getting 19 kW but rose slowly and steadily as the battery got fuller. It got to 20 then 21 kW before I took off when the battery was at 79% full. I wasn't going to keep waiting around as I'd been there for over 1 hr, 20 minutes. I sucked down 27.6 kWh. Location was https://www.plugshare.com/location/78995 and there have been complaints of low output. I didn't bother taking a pic of the label but the one posted on Plugshare shows output of 350 to 460 volts DC, 55 amps. I guess I can understand the low output in kW if the overall vehicle voltage is low and this DC charger can only output 55 amps. 350 volts * 55 amps = 19,250 watts = 19.25 kW.

It's a lone SAE Combo only DC charger, near a large bank of Tesla Suprerchargers. I'm not clear why it's set to free.

The above DC charger is also a bit weird in that its fans (which spin up when charging) are quite loud but I really didn't feel much airflow in or out of its vents.

At some point after 75% or so SoC (still going at full speed), I heard my car's thermal management kick in, a first for me. :) It's fairly loud and sounds weird. I opened the hood could feel a ton of hot air entering the "engine" compartment due to the fans pulling air thru the radiator.

Outside air temps were below 70 F at the time.

Prior to this, the only charging I'd done recently on the car was a top off to 100% on L1 (long story as to why) that ended at by 11:30 am. The area that was my destination wasn't as hot w/OATs at the high 80s during the day and eventually below 70 F.

If I find some time, I plan to eventually dig around about what OBD2 dongle I need then get the Torque app and the necessary PID file for the Bolt. Bolt has no battery temp gauge or indication anywhere in the car's UI.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:22 am

cwerdna wrote:where it shows you what % of battery was (so far since last "full" charge) was used for driving and accessories vs. climate settings vs. battery conditioning), I saw battery conditioning go to 1% and then 2%

That's a really nice display to have! What other cars have that? Tesla doesn't, and I suspect would help quiet cries of "vampire drain" by explainiing it.

cwerdna wrote:I heard my car's thermal management kick in, a first for me. :) It's fairly loud and sounds weird.
When it kicks on in either of my cars, it's like the sound of a jet engine.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:33 pm

If you travel south down 101 again sometime in the next few months you can give the EA QC they're building in Salinas a try; you know you can expect similar heat down there during the summer as we've had around the bay yesterday and today. In fact, they're building EA QCs all along 101 S. of San Jose, in Gilroy, Salinas, Greenfield, Paso Robles, Pismo Beach and Camarillo. Salinas, Paso Robles and Greenfield will make loop trips down Hwy 1 to San Simeon/Morro Bay and returning via 101 pretty easy.
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