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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:07 am

OrientExpress wrote:The challenge with the Bolt is that while it is a well engineered car, the platform that GM chose to use for it is the Gamma G2SC platform which is GMs global compact car platform..


That was what most experts thought, in fact the Bolt uses a unique platform.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am

LKK wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:The challenge with the Bolt is that while it is a well engineered car, the platform that GM chose to use for it is the Gamma G2SC platform which is GMs global compact car platform..


That was what most experts thought, in fact the Bolt uses a unique platform.


It's unique in that it has a different floor pan stamping that the other versions of the Gamma G2SC platform, but it's still based on the Gamma platform that GM uses in a variety of compact vehicles.

This is just like Nissan that uses their B platform for a bunch of cars including the LEAF, what is different on the LEAF is that it has a different floor pan stamping too.

VW has the MQB platform for the Golf, and the e-Golf also based on MQB but has a different floor pan stamping.

I don't think there are any manufacturers that have EVs in their product line up that have a completely unique EV platforms. Everybody uses an existing platform architecture that simply have a few unique chassis stamping for the EV varient. The Bolt is even assembled on the same line that assembles other Gamma varient vehicles.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:37 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:I have yet to see one in person but a look at specs of each tells me they are realistically the same size with Bolt tilted slightly towards passenger space and LEAF tilted slightly towards cargo space. If the Bolt is bigger, it could be more head room? Although I have heard it both ways. Either "the same" or "slightly more in the Bolt"


The kinds of things that made me "feel" cramped were things that are normally not disclosed in specs. Things like how close the windshield is to the driver or how far is the backseat. Coming from Leaf - which is obviously not a "big" car - Bolt still felt cramped.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:52 pm

So now the Bolt is out, I can actually buy one locally.

It is still a hideously ugly car.

But, it's getting good reviews and it seems to me that it handily thrashes the Leaf. The Leaf was groundbreaking for what it was--five years ago. In the past five years the Leaf has done nothing but expand its battery size modestly and maybe lower the price. That's just not enough. The bolt's very ample 200 HP (made all the better with it benefiting from EV responsiveness) plus a battery pack twice as big as the Leaf's ,plus a fairly modestly higher price tag, seems to me it's a clearly superior car.

The Model 3 promises to be better than all of them (if only because of the automated driving, which I'm a huge fan of, but it also looks good...), but hands off to Chevy for being the only domestic manufacturer to take EV seriously. First with the Volt, now with the Bolt.

Nissan has really sat on their hands in the past five years. I can't believe they have done so little to the Leaf's essential stats.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:56 pm

rmay635703 wrote: I really don't understand the small car comments. I drive an 81 comutacar that's a small car.

My fathers 4' wide kei car is plenty roomy enough for 2 adults, certainly not cheek to cheek


It's all relative. I'm guessing you don't live in the US? If you do, take a look around.

I park my Leaf in any typical parking lot, and it is smaller than 90% of the vehicles there. The most common size car in the northeast is along the lines of the Rogue (or Escape/CR-V/RAV-4/etc). My mother drives a CR-V and she is convinced it is small. The smallest car she would consider buying. My Leaf can practically fit inside of her car!
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:57 pm

Nissan has really sat on their hands in the past five years. I can't believe they have done so little to the Leaf's essential stats.


I'm sure that when the Leaf is finally delivered next March, people will drive that, with 2/3 the range and maybe 2/3 (or less) the power of the Bolt, and will scrap their Bolts so they can buy a Leaf 1.75!
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:04 pm

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rmay635703 wrote: I really don't understand the small car comments. I drive an 81 comutacar that's a small car.

My fathers 4' wide kei car is plenty roomy enough for 2 adults, certainly not cheek to cheek


It's all relative. I'm guessing you don't live in the US? If you do, take a look around.

I park my Leaf in any typical parking lot, and it is smaller than 90% of the vehicles there. The most common size car in the northeast is along the lines of the Rogue (or Escape/CR-V/RAV-4/etc). My mother drives a CR-V and she is convinced it is small. The smallest car she would consider buying. My Leaf can practically fit inside of her car!

Leaf is definitely a small car. It may be "mid size", like the Prius is mid-size, but it's not a large car by any means!

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:07 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:Nissan has really sat on their hands in the past five years. I can't believe they have done so little to the Leaf's essential stats.


And yet it remains the best selling EV in recorded history. If you have a winning formula, you are very careful how you tweak it.

With that said, nothing stands still, and it appears that the next version of the LEAF will beat or match everything that Tesla will offer with the Model 3, plus give the consumer a much wider set of options for pricing and content than either GM or Tesla will.

You want a well equipped long distance EV for under $30K before incentives? There is a LEAF for that.

You want a LEAF with all the bells and whistles, that will drive itself and has a range of 250+? There is a LEAF for that too.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:54 pm

There is a LEAF for that too.


I think you mean "There will/may be, some time around 2019." As it stands, we seem to be looking at a 40kwh Leaf SV/SL (and 30kwh Leaf S), delivered in March of 2018.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:16 pm

No that is not what I said at all.
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